Mini 1452 - Inevitable Mafia (Game Over)

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

I'm not sure about this, but I don't like that mason claim, partly because masons were discussed earlier in the game...
Should we get the other mason to confirm?

Why is radiant self-voting?

Anyway, I think Does Bo Know is scum.

Nearly no content posts, almost all fluff.
Pushes me early with no explanation.
Very mitigated statements.
I'll make my verdict after Bo's catch up post.

Ok, so Bo's catch up post happened.

Okay, catch-up post time.

I thought TMT was scum because of the first statement in 58. That’s where I left off.

Your scumread happened BEFORE Rob's 58 happened.

Other content-
JMO is scum because his inconsistency
DCL is probably town but could be scum (again, mitigation)
Rob is town but you say "Bad bad bad" (what?!)

Also, has guru guru even posted? Should he be replaced?

[BROseidon]

DBK, question:

Why would scum try to push a lynch on a townie that has claimed mason (which would be what is going on if CoolDog is scum DCL is town)?

[Does Bo Know]

Reasons you think I'm scum:
- Fluff (when I couldn't make really content-filled posts earlier because I was limited to my phone)
- Unexplained scum read on you (will explain in next paragraph)
- Mitigation: I guess this is an okay reason, but I don't think that's enough to have a scum read on me.

So, here's the timeline of my scum read on you:

- Beginning of the game, I just yelled that you were scum just because. No reasons behind it, I was just being silly at first, and thought that maybe I could use some reactions against it. Like yours.

- In 37, you show lack of serious discussion. I agreed in 45, and started to believe you could actually be scum.

- I mentioned 58 only because you still wanted to know why the scum read was on you, and that was around where I stopped posting and reading and just skimmed for a bit.

- I have currently given reasons you're scum now.

@BRO: I've witnessed multiple scum jump on a Mason wagon because "the Mason claim didn't make any sense." Scum want Masons dead because it can link them to the other Mason that may claim later in the game, and they get rid of a PR instead of a VT through "convincing" arguments.

[jmo16mla]

So rob, you think he fake claimed?

[Rob14]

Right now I consider it a possibility. If no one confirms the single role-claim that can be easily confirmed over the next few days, then absolutely yes.

[jmo16mla]

I don't think someone needs claim mason also, if there is one. He would be relying on his scum partner to claim mason with him, if one of them flip scum, he just gave away his partner too.

[Does Bo Know]

Right now I consider it a possibility. If no one confirms the single role-claim that can be easily confirmed over the next few days, then absolutely yes.

The

single

role-claim?

[gorckat]

I don't think someone needs claim mason also, if there is one. He would be relying on his scum partner to claim mason with him, if one of them flip scum, he just gave away his partner too.

So you don't want scum to out themselves?

Nice.

[Does Bo Know]

Ummmm

Scum doesn't want scum to out themselves. They wouldn't be that stupid, would they?

I just don't see how DCL-scum would fakeclaim something like Mason instead of something like Doctor or Cop to save himself. Mason is a weaker role, although still a role, and to prove it he'd have to out his other Mason, something scum

would

like.

[jmo16mla]

I don't think someone needs claim mason also, if there is one. He would be relying on his scum partner to claim mason with him, if one of them flip scum, he just gave away his partner too.

So you don't want scum to out themselves?

Nice.

That was the most moronic statement I've heard before.

[gorckat]

Let's parse it:

You don't think someone needs to claim as DCL's buddy
Because that would be counting on a goon to confirm as scum once we flip one

I mean- you thought it, too, right? That a scum claiming mason would out him and DCL? So you outline why they shouldn't?

And I'm a moron?

[Does Bo Know]

Well, he's also giving a reason why claiming a Mason partner doesn't simply clear them as a team today.

Except of course, if neither of them die that night then it's pretty obvious.

[ThAdmiral]

There is one person who can confirm you're a mason, and I want their name.

If you're a mason, there's no reason NOT to give the name, because having two masons out is no worse than having one mason out, because one dead mason means the other is essentially a VT. It just gives us a confirmed townie after one of you die.

If you're scum claiming mason, you either have to give us a scum-partner (which would be very beneficial to town in the later game, as any one who vouches for a lying mason that's found to be lying later is also scum) OR you have to give up the game if you don't want to hand us your scum-partner on a silver platter.

So there's no reason for you not to name the other mason. Go for it.

No rob.

unvote

One mason is already out. If DCL isn't scum, then the mason team can already be "taken out" by killing the one mason already revealed. What good is a single mason? They're just a VT.

Give me one good reason NOT to reveal the other "mason," especially when you consider that if DCL is scum, he'd be forced into a position to be lynched or hand us a scum-partner as his "mason-buddy" to keep alive.

Because if the masons aren't idiots they will crumb each others names SUBTLY and when the other mason/s chooses to claim later in the game it will be verifiable.


Will have to reread to see who I think is scum now.

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

I really do agree with rob in the other mason claiming.

If dcl is mason, then we'll have confirmed town tomorrow.
If dcl is scum, we'll have confirmed scum or two tomorrow.

[jmo16mla]

TMT is scum for now.

I'm fine with DCL being town right now.

VOTE: TMT

Should have listened to you bo.

[Does Bo Know]

He's scum for now?

I'm flattered you listened to me, but why?

[BROseidon]

@BRO: I've witnessed multiple scum jump on a Mason wagon because "the Mason claim didn't make any sense." Scum want Masons dead because it can link them to the other Mason that may claim later in the game, and they get rid of a PR instead of a VT through "convincing" arguments.

Does this typically happen day 1 or on say day 4 or 5?

[Rob14]

I'm fine with DCL being town right now.

Why does this sound reluctant?

[jmo16mla]

He's scum for now?

I'm flattered you listened to me, but why?

He's throwing out accusations from his ass.

[jmo16mla]

You're scum, but I'm not going to directly speak or talk to you or even pressure you.

Oh.

Rob, before I rip you a new ass hole, explain exactly what you mean by "why does this sound reluctant"

[Does Bo Know]

@BRO: I've witnessed multiple scum jump on a Mason wagon because "the Mason claim didn't make any sense." Scum want Masons dead because it can link them to the other Mason that may claim later in the game, and they get rid of a PR instead of a VT through "convincing" arguments.

Does this typically happen day 1 or on say day 4 or 5?

Well, it was a Friends and Enemies game, and the main leader of the wagon was able to convince people to lynch with him. Jmo modded it, maybe be can help you out. It was Day 2 after a Mason hammered a player without asking for a claim.

[BROseidon]

Okay, that's good to know. I think that affects the likelihood of a fakeclaim, as it would probably be easier for scum to claim that a mason claim is a fakeclaim on someone who has done something very scummy and if other power roles have been claimed (and thus a doctor or cop fakeclaim isn't an option). Still, day 2 is a lot earlier than I would have expected for a play like that to have been attempted.

[DCLXVI]

.I'm going to be off now till 9pm. Got a party and work to do,

Someone didn't show up for their shift so I had to work till midnight, I'm tired and will respond to stuff that needs responding to tomorrow afternoon.

[Rob14]

JMO - The sentence I quoted sounds reluctant to me. Why? Were you reluctant in what you posted or not? Am I off the mark in thinking it sounded that way? What is your current read of DCL? etc.

[Does Bo Know]

Okay, that's good to know. I think that affects the likelihood of a fakeclaim, as it would probably be easier for scum to claim that a mason claim is a fakeclaim on someone who has done something very scummy and if other power roles have been claimed (and thus a doctor or cop fakeclaim isn't an option). Still, day 2 is a lot earlier than I would have expected for a play like that to have been attempted.

Yeah...

So...

I was actually convinced by said scum by the argument anyway and we lynched a claimed mason.

Not making that mistake again.