NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Desperado]

Bulb, you aren't trying to teach me anything, that's the problem. You've never approached this situation from the perspective of "I'm town, Desp might be town, let me teach him why he's wrong and I'm right." You started with the premise that I had scumslipped and attacked me, repeatedly. So if your intent was to show me the error of my ways, you failed...if it was to provoke a reaction from me that you could use to paint me as scummy, then you succeeded.

And the best part is, let's say you had approached it that way...I don't have to agree with you! You are not the arbiter of what things mean. The site meta regarding what it means when someone says confirmation bias vs. scummily tunneling someone is irrelevant when we are only considering this individual case, in which I was 100% transparent by what I meant when I said Nacho was resorting to confirmation bias, and was not unwittingly admitting that I knew he was town.

I am allowed to believe that scum can use confirmation bias (a logical fallacy, which I'm sure you're aware, and thus not a valuable scumhunting tool for a town player that hopes to actually lynch scum) in the process of securing the MLs necessary for them to win. The notion that only town players are capable of exhibiting confirmation bias

baffles me.

With that said, you are allowed to (wrongly) lynch me for thinking that because of whatever experience you have that says that I slipped. When I flip town maybe you'll recalibrate your tells.

[Red Ryu]

Ryu, why were you so fixated on the fact that I was voting you when you were supporting me earlier?

You haven't been moving your vote around, it was sitting on me for the longest time with really no sense of direction anywhere else in terms of what you were looking at.

Why me in particular? Thor hadn't moved his vote up to that point either.

I know where he was coming from and saw his reasoning, hense town.

Not you.

[Bacde]

votes on nacho guys

guys

seriously

guys listen

guys

listen to me seriously

guys

hey guys seriously

hey listen cmon guys

seriously

vote nacho

[Bulbazak]

votes on nacho guys

guys

seriously

guys listen

guys

listen to me seriously

guys

hey guys seriously

hey listen cmon guys

seriously

vote nacho

When did Navi start playing this game?

[Kublai Khan]

Does anyone else fellow the desperado/thezmon/cephrir debate is kinda going nowhere?

Start talking about something else, then.

Maybe why you're still on the BS slot when there is support for your OS case.

Because I'm happy lynching either Oversoul or Baby Spice/penguin_alien. The latter wagon is much bigger than the former.

NOPE. I am not giving mafia ANY insight.

How about giving town some insight and actually VOTE for somebody?

[Nero Cain]

vote:Nacho

[Nachomamma8]

I'd say my biggest problem isn't finding the scum

its being manipulated by the scum after I've found them

You just need to figure out when you're right and when you're wrong.

How I interpret it is less important than how you do. If you are lynched and town, we have honest info. If you are not town, we have info.

It also let's me achieve dual interest in the thread, both back and front.

That's reasonable enough. Bacde is voting me for meta reasons, Desperado voted me without reasoning initially and then made a case on me for bullshit fucking reasons that I've talked about far too much already, Nero is probably still voting me for yelling at him for attacking mollie and her meta tells, Seanald's following Bacde, I've tried many times to understand CTD's reasons but he's too fucking lurky for me to nail them down and question me on them, Slandaar was voting me because he thought my position on massclaim was faked, Baby was voting me earlier because Bacde said he was bussing me and he only does that as scum, apparently, B&B also meta reasons, AK for god knows why (apparently because they were following mollie, but that's sure as shit not what they said originally, Red Ryu because he didn't like my oversoul push.

Yes, because Nacho's reads w/r/t our slots were different when our play dictated otherwise.

have you and CTD played exactly the same?
no.

???

More to the point:
What are you saying with the second quote.

Ryu, why were you so fixated on the fact that I was voting you when you were supporting me earlier?

You haven't been moving your vote around, it was sitting on me for the longest time with really no sense of direction anywhere else in terms of what you were looking at.

Why me in particular? Thor hadn't moved his vote up to that point either.

You're unbelievably useless.

Bottomline: I refuse to accept that scum are incapable of conf bias, and if calling Nacho out for using it in his argument against me gets me lynched then so be it.

Desperado's town.

thez is scum, nacho is scum, thor might be scum, eddiefenix is obviously scum w/ nacho

what else is there to say about this game?

thez *might* be scum
every other one of your reads is garbage

[Slandaar]

Thor/Bulba/Ceph/Fuzzy and Thez although I prefer the other 4. Nacho said something a while back that is only ever being said if its multiball so lynch him tomorrow if it is otherwise hes town.

Everyone needs to pick one of the 5 named and vote.

Just sheep me now, there has been enough talk.

[Slandaar]

OK I have an announcement.

After much consideration I have finally made my decision. I have debated this for days while looking at everyones strengths and weaknesses but I believe the person who would make the best cheerleader for the Thor wagon is Bacde!!!

So congratulations to Bacde! I made the decision as Bacde just had a little bit more experience than all the other applicants and I really needed someone who knows what they are doing; I just don't have time to train you up unfortunately. Sorry to everyone else, I know you all desperately wanted this position but I feel Bacde is the correct choice here.

Bacde you start work today! Make the Thor lynch happen.

[Slandaar]

Bulbazak is scum because he reads so fake and all he does is argue with the person in question which for the most part is Desperado but can also been seen in Om/HD he doesn't try to convince you ie the rest of us they are scum he tries to convince them ie Om/HD and Desperado he is right.

[Slandaar]

How do you know that mafia didn't silence him?

Here is a prime example of Bulba's fake posting.

4 days till deadline I expect 12 more votes on Thor by that point.

[Kublai Khan]

Okay, so 4 days to deadline.

Slandaar is sitting on a wagon of 1, is asking someone else to champion his wagon, and makes more arguments against someone else (Bulbazak) than the person he is voting.

@Slandaar - Thor665 lynch isn't going to happen if that's your play. Bulbazak wagon isn't going to spring up out of nowhere with that weak ass shit. You are active lurking right now.

[Slandaar]

Think less sheep more KK.

I caught Thor, just sheep me, you don't even need to understand the reasoning you just need to know I am town; I catch scum a lot; I am telling you I caught Thor. Just vote him I will get the lynch to happen.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Bulbazak is scum because he reads so fake and all he does is argue with the person in question which for the most part is Desperado but can also been seen in Om/HD he doesn't try to convince you ie the rest of us they are scum he tries to convince them ie Om/HD and Desperado he is right.

bingo

I noticed that too

[ThAdmiral]

I literally don't have time to read this game before deadline. Someone just tell me who to vote.

[Slandaar]

Thor

You have been told, now vote.

You too B&tB lets do this.

[Bacde]

no no no

lets get nacho

[Bulbazak]

Nacho said something a while back that is only ever being said if its multiball so lynch him tomorrow if it is otherwise hes town.

What did he say?

[Slandaar]

no no no

lets get nacho

You're Fired!

No seriously

Thors day is today

If its not multiball Nacho is town hes not good to lynch today.

Nacho said something a while back that is only ever being said if its multiball so lynch him tomorrow if it is otherwise hes town.

What did he say?

Nothing anyone else will be able to use for their benefit; the way he views Mac/thez is exactly how I have. And yes that makes him town unless its multiball.

[penguin_alien]

Not caught up yet (shocking, I know, with 90+ pages) but based on more recent posts I'm not seeing Desperado as likely scum, nor does the case on Nachomamma8 track very well to me. Oversoul's 'gambit' strikes me most as a good way for scum to smoke out vigs not necessarily by claims but by reactions. As such, I think it's lousy. It also seems like a calculate risk, in that since it happened so early, any blowback was likely to have passed before a lynch materialized. His posts since then are dodgy, and he isn't coming at this with a consistent mindset:

We can just lynch Desperado.

I haven't looked at him.
What are his sins?

I checked--we're the third-longest D1 ever on site, and counting. Yay, us?

Oh my god, it's still day one.

Ok if deadline is in 6 days, that might be a bit tight. I see that Desperado, penguin_alien and nachomamma are the three leading votees. Can someone/s be kind enough to explain the cases on each of them?

No wonder I want to kill myself in this game.

VOTE: Oversoul

Slaandar, do you really think Thor665 being nitpicky is indicative of him being scum? From what I've seen of him, he's a serial tunneler who pushes for reactions. It's not very alignment-indicative.

[Cephrir]

I suppose I can see how Desp could be flailing town. I think I've been tunneling. He does kind of remind me of the way I flail as town. What do I do when deadline is approaching and I'm not sure about any of the three leading wagons? Seeing as P_A is looking pretty okay for not taking one of the easy ways out of her own possible lynch. I guess I'll pick one of the options I still like.

Unvote, Vote: Haylen

Almost as happy voting Oversoul; would compromise for Desperado, P_A or Thor though I wouldn't be excited about the latter two.

[Bacde]

btw Slandaar has become a solidified townread of mine for this page

[Desperado]

I suppose I can see how Desp could be flailing town. I think I've been tunneling. He does kind of remind me of the way I flail as town. What do I do when deadline is approaching and I'm not sure about any of the three leading wagons? Seeing as P_A is looking pretty okay for not taking one of the easy ways out of her own possible lynch. I guess I'll pick one of the options I still like.

Unvote, Vote: Haylen

Almost as happy voting Oversoul; would compromise for Desperado, P_A or Thor though I wouldn't be excited about the latter two.

Me, penguin, you, Khan, and B&TB would make 5 on OS, which with your unvote would be tied for the lead wagon. Plus, OS (who you are happy to lynch) is also voting Haylen...who seems town so far in the way she's catching up. I don't see scum promising so much future content (#2348) when not following through could easily backfire on them.

[Desperado]

btw Slandaar has become a solidified townread of mine for this page

I don't think Nacho is going to happen today. See here and here for the OS case, and vote for him afterwards.

I agree with you about slandaar.

[Desperado]

In post 2268, Desperado wrote:Yes, because Nacho's reads w/r/t our slots were different when our play dictated otherwise.


have you and CTD played exactly the same?
no.

I was never trying to argue that we were, I was honestly just trying to understand your process. But point taken.

In post 2326, Desperado wrote:Bottomline: I refuse to accept that scum are incapable of conf bias, and if calling Nacho out for using it in his argument against me gets me lynched then so be it.


Desperado's town.

Yup. Mollie thinks you are too, and I trust her opinion right now.

I know you were/have been reading OS as town but check the two posts linked ^^^^ and tell me what you think (or tell me you've already answered and I'll go find it).

Thor/Bulba/Ceph/Fuzzy and Thez although I prefer the other 4. Nacho said something a while back that is only ever being said if its multiball so lynch him tomorrow if it is otherwise hes town.

Everyone needs to pick one of the 5 named and vote.

Just sheep me now, there has been enough talk.

As I outlined above, OS is absolutely a viable wagon right now. Replace Thor and bulb with OS and Ryu (their "why were you voting me?" aside is fake as fuck imo) and I agree with your list though.