Open 498: Fire and Ice Mafia (Game Over)

[penguin_alien]

Space Fact #2:

A meteorite that has been found after being tracked entering the atmosphere is a fall, whereas those discovered on the planet’s surface without prior detection are finds.

Vote Count 1.02:

With 12 players living, it takes 7 to lynch!

XKamikazex [L-7]:
BROseidon [L-7]:
hawkleader3 [L-7]:
Mortontfrh [L-7]:
Dreams of Grandeur [L-7]:
BoroPhil [L-7]:
Dry-Fit [L-6]: BoroPhil
guille2015 [L-6]: Malakittens
Cheery Dog [L-6]: hawkleader3
Malakittens [L-3]: BROseidon, Mortontfrh, Dry-Fit, uctriton00
uctriton00 [L-6]: Dreams of Grandeur
Commandodude [L-7]:

Not voting: XKamikazex, guille2015, Cheery Dog, Commandodude

Deadline in (expired on 2013-06-06 20:50:17)

[BoroPhil]

Morning.

Mala's the only person I know here.

VOTE: Dry-Fit

bandwagoning

jumping on the wagon at 3 looks worse than at 2? though at 4 looks even sillier.

This happened to me in that last game and I went into a bit of a meltdown.

[Dreams of Grandeur]

Vote: Broseidon

[Dreams of Grandeur]

Nope. I have yet to be scum in

this

setup.

@Peng:

With love check your inbox. <3

I think Mala is town from the way that she used her wagon as an avenue of questioning. She's also loose and cheeky, which are good signs for early game.

VOTE: Cheery Dog

Just to see if he is still cheery after he gets a vote

Congrats you're now a town read I'll suspect at some point.

Cheery is town for this observation because I definitely shared it. I'd like to say that hawk is town too, but I'll probably suspect him at some point.

No idea who any of you are

except for

Vote: Malakittens

and guile I think you were in the terribad Kingmaker setup

Subtle, but "I don't know anyone" is definitely more of a town mindset than a scum mindset. It's more town to feel completely alone than scum who obviously have partners.

jumping on the wagon at 3 looks worse than at 2? though at 4 looks even sillier.

This happened to me in that last game and I went into a bit of a meltdown.

This read genuine to me, and is a damn good excuse if he's scum; "I didn't want to start bandwagonning early because I'm avoiding another meltdown" shows a conscious town mindet since scum would love to cause a meltdown and have the town close in on someone.

[Dreams of Grandeur]

6 townreads including me, probability of finding scum with a random vote: 66.66666%, assuming no mistakes.
With 1 mistake, 3 scum in a pool of 6 is still 50%
Add a small bonus for being amused by the flavor, and I'm fairly confident we have scum on their hands.
If not, I'm fairly confident that I can recognize BRO's towngame, meaning my next vote with have an 80% chance of hitting scum with no mistakes, 60% chance with one mistake.

I love this vote.

[guille2015]

VOTE: Guille

I love you too Mala.

and guile I think you were in the terribad Kingmaker setup

Yeah, I remember forcing you to kill yourself. We had so much fun. Pity we lost. Are you town in this game?

Morning.

Mala's the only person I know here.

VOTE: Dry-Fit

bandwagoning

jumping on the wagon at 3 looks worse than at 2? though at 4 looks even sillier.

This happened to me in that last game and I went into a bit of a meltdown.

I like Boro's reasoning.

Vote Dry Fit

[guille2015]

So, Mala, Talk to me, What do you think of Dream's Math up there?

[BROseidon]

If not, I'm fairly confident that I can recognize BRO's towngame, meaning my next vote with have an 80% chance of hitting scum with no mistakes, 60% chance with one mistake.

Baroo? What makes you confident that you can read my town game?

I like Mala's posts so far. She is handling the votes on her well and she's trying to be productive So, despite her name (cats are bad, evil cats are worse), I think Mala is town. This feels very different from my experience with scum Mala (granted, that experience is very limited). Also like Boro's posts, for reasons Dreams has already articulated. Also like Dreams's big post, even if I think some of what he's posted is a bit of a stretch.

VOTE: Dry-fit is probably the best place for my vote to be right now.

[Malakittens]

Post #29 is interesting. I'm not a math genius. So I'm not even going to fight that math.

I can say UCT will be an easy read halfway during Day 1 along with Guille.

DoG: Have you played with BRO before?

I can say right now he's leaning like the newbie game which I detested his super jumpy sheepy style.

@Guille:

I think Dry was jealous I dropped my RVS vote on you and not him.

UNVOTE: Guille

Anyways have to eat lunch and go to work. Back in a while.

[Dreams of Grandeur]

Baroo? What makes you confident that you can read my town game?

I'm half of a hydra of Nacho and Mantisdreamz. We played that newbie game together, surprise.

I can say right now he's leaning like the newbie game which I detested his super jumpy sheepy style.

He's not there yet.

Dry-Fit votes are fine.

[Commandodude]

VOTE: Dry-Fit

Random Vote

[hawkleader3]

Congrats you're now a town read I'll suspect at some point.

I'd like to say that hawk is town too, but I'll probably suspect him at some point.

Nice to know what I am looking forward to in the future. ( )

[Malakittens]

Now knowing Nacho is in that hydra it makes a lot more sense.

I still think its to early for me to tell if Bro is scum off a few posts.

@Commando:

RVS, to me, is over. Explain why you put Dry to L-3 without reading?

@Bro:

How am I an evil cat? ):

___

I was in the game that Boro was in a yes he had a meltdown. So yeah I can see how post 26 can read genuine.

[Dry-fit]

Dang it, so many townreads and none of them on me

This happened to me in that last game and I went into a bit of a meltdown.

What happened to you in the last game?

[Dry-fit]

Actually, time for a serious vote.

Unvote. Vote: guille2015.

I think it would make sense for guille to want me dead in this game, and putting early pressure on me can lead to that happening, if I handle it badly. The reason guille would want me dead is that he knows that not only am I experienced in this setup, but that I believe scum should always try to hit members of the opposing scumteam with the nightkill. This means that guille would consider me a major threat if I end up being on the opposite scumteam.

[Cheery Dog]

I think how a bandwagon formed on someone because they were bandwagoning.

@Dry can I use the same logic for that guille vote against you for wanting guile dead?
Because I believe out might work that way having not witnessed previous games first hand.

[Malakittens]

Why are you so paranoid of Guille possibly wanting you dead Dry? Seems as if you got something to hide. Based on last setup Guille had 3/4 scum pinged early on. This makes me seriously wonder.

Wouldn't the same logic for Guille apply to me also? Wouldn't he want me dead also? As I too have experience here.

[Dreams of Grandeur]

I think it would make sense for guille to want me dead in this game, and putting early pressure on me can lead to that happening, if I handle it badly. The reason guille would want me dead is that he knows that not only am I experienced in this setup, but that I believe scum should always try to hit members of the opposing scumteam with the nightkill. This means that guille would consider me a major threat if I end up being on the opposite scumteam.

Actually, I think guille was just right.

[Dreams of Grandeur]

Vote: Dry-Fit

[Dreams of Grandeur]

still got my eyes on you BRO

[Dry-fit]

Why are you so paranoid of Guille possibly wanting you dead Dry? Seems as if you got something to hide. Based on last setup Guille had 3/4 scum pinged early on. This makes me seriously wonder.

Wouldn't the same logic for Guille apply to me also? Wouldn't he want me dead also? As I too have experience here.

I explained why. It's not as if it's a huge tell, but better than random. The same would apply to you, but he hasn't done anything to try and get you killed. He can't vote us both at once. But I believe he would want me dead more specifically because of my philosophy regarding nightkills in this setup.

@Dry can I use the same logic for that guille vote against you for wanting guile dead?

You can, although I should point out that I believe there is no such thing as hypocrisy in scumhunting, but I won't go into that unless it becomes necessary.

[guille2015]

Actually, time for a serious vote.

Unvote. Vote: guille2015.

I think it would make sense for guille to want me dead in this game, and putting early pressure on me can lead to that happening, if I handle it badly. The reason guille would want me dead is that he knows that not only am I experienced in this setup, but that I believe scum should always try to hit members of the opposing scumteam with the nightkill. This means that guille would consider me a major threat if I end up being on the opposite scumteam.

The same could be said about you. So I am guessing that if you are scum, you'd be targeting me at night. Well, not anymore since you outed this ploy. The question here is whether your actual scum or not. Curiously, I am actually liking this line of thinking. Makes me think that you are not thinking with your scum mentality. hmmm. You won as scum last game, so, I'm going to have to go back and read that game (skim really). Mala will probably know that game better. I'll come back to this later.

[BoroPhil]

Dang it, so many townreads and none of them on me

This happened to me in that last game and I went into a bit of a meltdown.

What happened to you in the last game?

4-5 random votes early and I got a bit annoyed

[Dreams of Grandeur]

Vote: Dry-Fit

i like this vote

[Dreams of Grandeur]

also agree with Mala = town.. i can't see that view swtiching