Mini 1454 - GAME OVER

[Aj The Epic]

VOTE: JKM

This is not a random vote.

[Hoopla]

Hi Hoopla, thanks for joining the game! Happy Birthday!

Another experienced player I can buddy, yea!

i am rusty. buddy at your own peril.

[Hoopla]

hey bubbajack, you don't need to respond to every single thing someone says to you. lets tighten it up. those quote stripes are killing me.

[Rob14]

Vote Count #1.11:

notscience:

jon_h61, Nobody Special, JuanJuan, AngelInFreezer, JKMatthews (5)

Amrun:

bubbajack8, fuzzybutternut, notscience (3)

JKMatthews:

Amrun, Hoopla, Aj The Epic (3)

HookerPunch:

marcmann2 (1)

Not Voting:

HookerPunch

With 13 alive, it takes 7 players to reach a lynch.

V/LA:

Mod V/LA from 5/27 to 5/28. Maestro filling in.
Amrun until 5/28.
Bubba until 5/26.

Deadline:

(expired on 2013-06-10 22:45:00)

[Hoopla]

Sort of just randomly dropping some thoughts here:

- Fuzzy's weird circular logic where his RVS vote often being scum means it's a reason to vote someone is funny because he's so brazen about it, but it's what he actually believes. And because he believes it, it's likely to have come from town. It'd be a weird tactic to use as scum, because it being a lie means there was an element of planning behind his play, and knowing fuzzy, that just isn't him.
- Bubbajack's response to fuzzy's I-always-vote-scum-in-the-RVS was also funny. The effort to debunk fuzzy's dubious claim was town in and of itself. The rest of his posting has seemed solid when you look past the walls of quotes.
- notscience's wagon isn't horrible. For some reason, his page 5 vote on fuzzy struck me as weird. It was a wishy-washy vote that was fairly easy to justify given how obtuse fuzzy was being. Scum like to jump on the safe votes, especially when they've got a wagon on themselves - essentially, more pressure = less risk taking behaviour.

[JuanJuan]

I smell buddying in the first half of this post. Anyone else?

lol. Does it hurt for people to know my experience? I was bringing it up because of earlier posts.

"I'm telling YOU this so you can get a better read on me because I think you're town" I see buddying, I'm not retracting that statement. I'd like to know why.

Surely you can work that one out, you're the one who's been so vocal about Amrun 'QQing' about noobs. He's addressing it to Amrun just like I did earlier.

[HookerPunch]

hey bubbajack, you don't need to respond to every single thing someone says to you. lets tighten it up. those quote stripes are killing me.

Someone finally said it.

if he is scum, then his buddies haven't been under pressure all day.

Can you clarify this for me Hoopla?

Sorry 'bout my slight absence--the StarCityGames circuit is in town this weekend, so I was out there. Anyways, as for the current wagons, I feel extremely hesitant to jump on the Amrun train, despite being mildly skeptical of her--I don't feel particularly confident on the three people really voting for her.

JKMatthews--Okay, I see both sides of the argument. Bubba did a lot of the legwork in post 258 on the town-argument, but the others have rightfully pointed out an amount of philophosizing and shallowness. In addition, the people I am more likely to trust are against him, so there is that. Being said, I am not ready to commit to a JKM wagon just yet.

Which leads me to notscience. After re-reading notscience's vote history & posts since the point Hoopla pointed out, I am more and more liking this wagon. His three votes--Amrun, fuzzy, and I--have always been after someone else voted on them, but not only that, but someone who got some bad PR directly before his votes. I'm unsure if he's just being reactionary or not(it's possible), but I'm more willing to believe he's trying to push a wagon early in an attempt to get the tempo ball rolling in all cases. Ergo, I am willing to put down the ultimatum of a VOTE: notscience.

[Nobody Special]

I'm growing suspicious of JKMatthews, given his smoke-blowing and philosophizing. I mean, I'm not switching my vote, but if the notscience wagon falls apart, that's where I'm going.

[Hoopla]

Can you clarify this for me Hoopla?

scum tend to be less driven when their team is in no immediate danger. what incentive is there to further the game when townies are wagoning each other for you?

[Hoopla]

looking at the notscience wagon, none of my town reads are on it (amrun, fuzzy, bubba). there's a high concentration of scum populating those six votes on notscience.

when i look at a picture like that, it makes me think what is more likely:

1) notscience is scum and scum is bussing him hard.
2) notscience is scum and by chance the rest of the scumteam is in the two slots not voting notscience or my town reads.
3) notscience is town and scum are happy pushing this one through.

1 doesn't make a whole lot of sense as there have been plenty of other reasonable mislynch targets - so why bother making an effort to bus? 2 seems unlikely just from the sheer probabilistic nature of it. there are just way more combinations of scumteams to pick from in situation 3.

the one thing i'm more sure of right now is my town reads, so i think determining information through that lens is the wisest idea for me. if i'm right on my town reads, then it's very likely notscience is town too.

i'm not comfortable with his wagon and him being at L-1 now. i want to look at the formation of notscience's wagon before someone asks for a claim. i think he's town.

[marcmann2]

VOTE: JKMatthews

JKM was 4th on bubba's wagon, then policy voted for fuzzy, and lastly voted 5th on notscience. Those feel like votes that were meant to stay in the background while not letting wagons stall out.

[notscience]

hey bubbajack, you don't need to respond to every single thing someone says to you. lets tighten it up. those quote stripes are killing me.

Someone finally said it.

if he is scum, then his buddies haven't been under pressure all day.

Can you clarify this for me Hoopla?

Sorry 'bout my slight absence--the StarCityGames circuit is in town this weekend, so I was out there. Anyways, as for the current wagons, I feel extremely hesitant to jump on the Amrun train, despite being mildly skeptical of her--I don't feel particularly confident on the three people really voting for her.

JKMatthews--Okay, I see both sides of the argument. Bubba did a lot of the legwork in post 258 on the town-argument, but the others have rightfully pointed out an amount of philophosizing and shallowness. In addition, the people I am more likely to trust are against him, so there is that. Being said, I am not ready to commit to a JKM wagon just yet.

Which leads me to notscience. After re-reading notscience's vote history & posts since the point Hoopla pointed out, I am more and more liking this wagon. His three votes--Amrun, fuzzy, and I--have always been after someone else voted on them, but not only that, but someone who got some bad PR directly before his votes. I'm unsure if he's just being reactionary or not(it's possible), but I'm more willing to believe he's trying to push a wagon early in an attempt to get the tempo ball rolling in all cases. Ergo, I am willing to put down the ultimatum of a VOTE: notscience.

Oh, so my votes are always after someone else? Last I checked, you followed me onto pitoli and held onto it for holy hell. Show me where you HAVENT done that. Not to mention, my vote on you had a reason. I shared the reason. What wagon am I currently trying to push, please enlighten me as to that fact? I'm voting those that I find to be scum. Also people are REACTIONARY in mafia? The game where everything is judged by-wait for it- REACTIONS? Say it isn't so. I'd wager the only reason you're liking my wagon is an attempt to save your scumbuddies from a lynch. Namely, JKMatthews, whom you "aren't ready" to pursue a lynch on for someodd reason. Why not? He's done NOTHING to help the town. You're just looking at the wagons and saying "well, this is the biggest so I will jump on and town will like me for it because I follow the majority!" I don't like the vote (for obvious reasons, as well as what I've listed here) and it comes off to me slightly OMGUSy for my calling you out a few pages ago.

[JKMatthews]

So university has gone back for me today, meaning what little free time I had is even smaller.
My 'philosophising' and vagueness are completely fair accusations - I always forget the amount of time that needs to be dedicated to a game increases exponentially with the number of players, and I fear I really can't keep up with this game.

Mod, could I please be replaced?

I hope this doesn't disrupt the game too much. Have fun everyone!

[Rob14]

Mod, could I please be replaced?

Acknowledged. Looking for a replacement now.

[HookerPunch]

UNVOTE: not science While I will probably revote him, I wanna hear from JKM's replacement in case anyone tries to steal the day.

[notscience]

UNVOTE: not science While I will probably revote him, I wanna hear from JKM's replacement in case anyone tries to steal the day.

Translation- "I will vote notscience again after one post of the replacement, and I have completely ignored his rebuttal"

[notscience]

UNVOTE: not science While I will probably revote him, I wanna hear from JKM's replacement in case anyone tries to steal the day.

Translation- "I will vote notscience again after one post of the replacement, and I have completely ignored his rebuttal"

[fuzzybutternut]

yeah, VOTE: notscience

still interested in what the replacement says.

[Rob14]

Vote Count #1.12:

notscience:

jon_h61, Nobody Special, JuanJuan, AngelInFreezer, Kthxbye, fuzzybutternut (6)

Kthxbye:

Amrun, Hoopla, Aj The Epic, marcmann2 (4)

Amrun:

bubbajack8, notscience (2)

Not Voting:

HookerPunch

With 13 alive, it takes 7 players to reach a lynch.

V/LA:

Mod V/LA from 5/27 to 5/28.
Amrun until 5/28.
Bubba until 5/26.

Deadline:

(expired on 2013-06-10 22:45:00)

Additional Announcements:

1. Kthxbye replaces JKMatthews.
2. Posting this VC early, so there won't be one on the next top-of-page.
3. I'm still V/LA starting early tomorrow and ending around noonish 5/28; whenever I can get to a computer on campus, basically. I'm no longer going to have a temporary mod to fill that gap. It's only like 24 hours. Don't burn the place down.

[notscience]

Yaaaay, L-1 again! Love you all so much.

[notscience]

Also,why so late to the party fuzzy? Trying to avoid the sheer OMGUS?

[Kthxbye]

Hello! I'll be catchin up and posting by tomorrow night my thoughts thus far.

Anything anyone think I should pay special attention to while going through my read?

UNVOTE: notscience

for now.

[fuzzybutternut]

Also,why so late to the party fuzzy? Trying to avoid the sheer OMGUS?

Totally.

[notscience]

Annnnnnnnnd more of this shortposting BS.

[Kthxbye]

Fuzzy is town.
Bubba is town.
Jon is town.

Not is scum
Hp is scum
Aj is scum

All others are more or less null atm.

Basically, notscience looks like caught d1 scum to me. Back to L-1.

VOTE: notscience