Newbie 1378 - Game Over! (Town Wins)

[Crazzygoat]

@mod, I'm going to be out of town for a school competition until late Wednesday. Idk how this works but requesting V/ La until then

[JasonWazza]

UNVOTE: lucky2u
VOTE: RadiantCowbells

This is exactly why you keep getting lynched.

Your scummy as fuck, not giving reads isn't good for town, and OMGUS is not a good reason for a vote.

[RadiantCowbells]

This wagon will get to L-1.

Want me to just claim now?

[JasonWazza]

MAYBE ACT TOWN THEN

How about this, instead of claiming, give us a list of reads with backing behind all of them.

[RadiantCowbells]

I guarantee you, that will just make people push on me more.

For the sake of proving this as a meta example, I will have at least 1000 words of reads within 24 hours, and then you guys will all find minor quibbles with things and use them as a reason that I'm scum, while the people who didn't post any reads at all are ignored and considered "town".

[Nul]

Lucky still hasn't contributed anything in terms of scum hunting other than OMGUS'ing everyone that votes him and trying to set up another policy lynch (quoted: "Either way I'm not sure his reserved nature helps us out when he is so guarded about his reads."). And no, calling people a "Fox News reporter" is not relevant information, you have no idea what ad hominem means. By the way you haven't addressed anything I've said.

You are blatantly translating my arguments to fit how YOU want them to fit.

Please tell me how I am twisting the context of your words:

Me:

"You act like talking a lot is bad"

You:

"I think Radiant said it best "...I've found that whenever I'm talkative I get lynched or pushed on immediately...". So yea it can be a bad thing. That's why one scum strategy is to lurk, they know by speaking up it does exactly what you are doing to me."

READ YOUR REPLY.

In reply to

"you act like talking a lot is bad"

, you said

"one scum strategy is to not talk (lurk), they know by speaking up it does exactly what you are doing to me."

PLEASE ARGUE THIS.

[Nul]

You keep coming back to the fact that I mentioned a scum strat, therefor I must be scum. That doesn't make sense. I was using it for the opposite reason. Shouldn't we know what scum strats are? Why is mentioning one a sign of scum?

"you act like talking a lot is bad."
"talking a lot gets people lynched, it can be a bad thing. that's why one scum strategy is to lurk, they know by speaking up it does to them what you are doing to me"

you've used "that's why one scum strategy is to lurk" to reply to "you act like talking a lot is bad"

[JasonWazza]

[Massive theory post pretty much aimed at Radiant and lucky2u]

PLEASE REALIZE TALKING ISN'T EVER A BAD THING FOR TOWN

This game purely based on odds IS A MASSIVE ADVANTAGE TO SCUM

By the town talking, even in mislynching THEY GET INFORMATION, information in the end is what kills scum.

However we don't get information in your mislynch IF YOU SIT AROUND TWIDDLING YOUR THUMBS AND CRYING "POOR ME"

Giving out reads gives town info and gives town clues as to who is really scum.

So QUIT ACTTING LIKE READS ARE A TERRIBLE THING THAT NO ONE SHOULD SEE.

For the sake of proving this as a meta example, I will have at least 1000 words of reads within 24 hours, and then you guys will all find minor quibbles with things and use them as a reason that I'm scum, while the people who didn't post any reads at all are ignored and considered "town".

NO NO NO NO *BITCH SLAP*

The reason some people don't have to give out reads IS CAUSE THEY MAKE THEM OBVIOUS, i have no reads lists out BUT I CLEARLY HAVE SHOWN THE TOWN WHO I THINK IS SCUM.

If someone asks you for your reads there is a fucking reason SO DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT IT.

Either your not obvious enough in your reads, or you are being asked to see if you slip up, or actually have cases to back up reads.

The reason Nul, Me, uct etc. haven't been asked for reads is simple.

WE HAVE BEEN SCUMHUNTING, AND OUR READS ARE BLOODY FUCKING OBVIOUS.

So quit complaining about giving the town info, quit making the town have to rely on odds, or lynching enough shitty players before LYLO, Quit complaining that you always get lynched AND START PLAYING BETTER FOR FUCKS SAKE.
[/Massive theory post pretty much aimed at Radiant and lucky2u]

I will apologize in advance for my tone of voice, but you guys fucking deserve it.

[Nul]

My experience with Mafia games is in real life versions I've played at conventions. This is my second game on the site, I lost my first game as a vanilla townie to a perfect mafia victory.

Should I random vote now?

I don't feel like a townie would ask whether or not they should random vote. This feels like a scum trying to act townie. This might not be a reliable scumtell but a scumtell nevertheless. I know you've explained it but anyone could had given that explanation.

I have a feeling Mastin is doing (excuse me I forget the short name for it) "vote so he can read the reaction" strategy.

Otherwise, it's kind of weird to make a serious vote so early and then change to another serious vote rather quickly. I am still waiting to hear his explanation on ucriton. Speaking of which, in my first game we had a day 1 character like ucrit that dug himself a whole by getting more and more desperate like he is right now. He flipped vanilla when we lynched him and I regretted it because I initially defended that guy and was swayed by who I later found out to be the scum. I know all games are different, but I won't be in a rush to repeat my mistake and I plead to the other townies to think carefully about what they are doing.

I really hope the other players show up soon.

Second scummy post.
After mastin votes him during RVS, he tries to second guess the reason for mastin's vote. This comes off to me as a scum trying to repel a vote by attempting to guess the voter's reason. There is simply no reason for him to talk so much about an RVS vote. The last bolded line where he prods inactive players just seems like a scum trying to create more content in his post. I don't know what it is, but scums love to prod players or say something about inactive players. Townies don't usually do this, especially when the game had only been running for 6 hours.

I'm glad to be right about Mastin. I don't see why calling that was a scum tell but oh well. Concerning why I asked about random vote in my first post, since it set some alarms with you all, it's because there were two posts before me that didn't random vote. In my first game, everyone came out the gate with a RVS, so I was thrown a bit off by that not happening this time.

As for my current scum reads, I'm leaning towards those who are saying the least but are still here. Like Radiant and Para. I don't have any strong town reads.

Lazy effort that does not feel like a townie trying to scum hunt, but a scum trying to policy lynch lurkers. The part where he claimed to not have any town reads also contradicted the later "read list" that I had to make him write. I feel that he claims here not to have any town reads because he doesn't want to close off any opportunities to start a wagon.

By the way, this was also the first post where he contributed (if you can even call it that) some form of involvement in scum hunting. Which I had to ask from him.

Sheesh Nul, so critical so fast.

Also, what do you mean by "at this point in the game"? We are in Day 1 with almost all of the two week deadline left and one player still yet to check in. In my opinion, it's still damn early and I won't rush myself because you are on a hammer hunt.

You can keep your vote, but I'm not changing my play style.

This was his reply to post #54 by me where I voted him because of his poor scum hunting efforts. I don't know why he used the words "play style" when being called out for crappy scum reads. It's odd.

Let me answer for him. No. It isn't and if he thinks it is, he will be the easiest one of the scum to manipulate. That is a horrible way to decide a town read, and please don't make that same mistake.

Another scumtell here. Answering questions directed to other people. A townie wouldn't be bothered to defend another townie as they would see fit to let them answer themselves. Scums like to answer questions to appear like they are contributing content.

I kind of feel like I am giving in to pressure here

but fine, since you asked nicely and said thank you, I will do you this service and give you my individual reads. It will follow this post shortly.

He again makes an unnecessary comment to second guess people who are suspicious of him. As explained earlier, I feel like this is a scum trying to appear townie; "if I answer this, they will think I am submitting to pressure, but if I don't then they will be suspicious of why I didn't respond. I'll just talk about pressure out loud as I answer so that I seem townie and they don't think I'm giving in to pressure."

I actually expected that reaction from Jason.

I can't say for certain whether he is scum or not, but he would be worth getting rid of either way.

He is borderline crazy, (see the "GIBWPGEIHBOAIN" in his last post) and

even if he is a town will do more damage than good.

Also, while he contests my logic on his read (and thats fine, it makes sense atleast), he shoots down the rest of my reads by just saying they are terrible and not saying why. Either he didn't read them, he was too blinded by crazy when I scum read him, or he was too lazy to give reasons. None of those are good excuses for a sweeping generalization like that.

Also, the only reason I was reluctant to make the reads wasn't because I didn't want to do it, it was because Nul was the person who asked me. Nul had just criticized me one page ago about my reads.

He asked nicely though, so I didn't see a problem with it.

VOTE: JasonWazza

I really don't like this guy.

OMGUS is a fairly reliable scumtell. He follows this silly reasoning with policy lynching which is another scum tell. I don't feel a townie would vote someone with the intention of lynching them and then say "even if you're town, you will do more good than harm!", it's just ridiculous. Policy lynching is always

anti-town

.

The second bolded line also shows illogical reasoning for being "reluctant to contribute reads". Uh, someone is suspicious of you, asks for evidence for you to defend yourself and you are reluctant to because they are suspicious of you? If you were a townie, and someone was suspicious of you and asks you to provide a read list, you wouldn't act all moody and reluctant. You would provide it, simple as that. Just the fact that you were reluctant is scummy.

I think Radiant said it best "...I've found that whenever I'm talkative I get lynched or pushed on immediately...". So yea it can be a bad thing.

That's why one scum strategy is to lurk, they know by speaking up it does exactly what you are doing to me.

No, it's called a sense of humor, not Freudian slip.

In order to fully understand, please kindly bend over, reach around behind you, then remove stick from ass.

Also, it is possible to not be friends and be on the same team. Have you never had a job? or been put in a group for a school project? or played a game of Mafia in RL?

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I want to vote for Jason because his crazy aggressiveness will end in a scum victory,

regardless of whether he is scum or not

. I pray that some of you see that too, if not, I'll join the paradigm wagon. If you insist on voting for me, make sure you take a close look at Nul in the next day, since he is the one leading this wagon.

You used "that's why scums lurk" to support the statement "being talkative gets you lynched". I won't call this a freudian slip anymore because I think I think I'm starting to get the message you are trying to communicate here (it was just very poorly structured). Read your post over and over again and you'll see what I mean.

Ad hominem is a scumtell. You're diverting from the argument and providing useless content in your post. This is counter-productive and anti-town, especially when you're trying to defend yourself.

Jason has over 3000 posts and has played more mafia games than the amount of times you've engaged in sexual intercourse. You (someone who has played 1 game of mafia) claiming that Jason's "crazy aggressiveness" will cost us the game is hilarious. Your constant attempt to lynch people who you are not even sure of if they are scum just reeks of scumminess. Completely anti-town.

We need more input from all sides, and I would like to know what happened to Mattel who claimed he would catch up the night he checked in, two days ago.

Prodding the inactive again to create the illusion of content. You'll be surprised at how many scums do this. Personally I think this is a scumtell, not a reliable one, but considering all the other scummy things you've done, it makes sense.

Jesus christ, your failure at actively scum hunting this entire game just screams scum. Are you going to pursue any of the scum reads you have or sit there talking mumbo jumbo and prodding people to talk.

WTF IS "It's hard to tell if Radiant is really this gun shy legitimately or not. " This is just illusionary content, YOU'VE MIGHT AS WELL OF SAID NOTHING.

[Nul]

My scum reads are on Lucky2u and mastin. Ucrit is a light scum read.

[Lucky2u]

I really feel like I'm getting no where in going back and forth against Nul. His last few posts show that I can keep it up but I'll never change HIS mind. If anyone else is looking for answers from me, feel free to ask and I'll reply.

UNVOTE:

We are so scattered in our votes right now that I think who ever we end up on, it's going to be more luck than anything. The odds are not in our favor and regardless of "tells", all current evidence against everyone is weak and circumstantial. Radiant is on Crazzy, Nul is on me, Jason is on Radiant, Paradigm is on Mastin, Ucrit is on Jason, I was on Nul, and two people aren't voting, one who is V/LA. It's all a mess right now and if you look at it visually we are all standing in a circle pointing in random directions. I know some of you are going to read this and chastise me again for "not contributing" or say that this doesn't help us, but I think it does. Seven town and two scum, with everyone so wildly different in their votes. This means that whoever you are voting for, probably isn't scum. So follow me down this thread for a second. With my vote removed, there are five people with votes on them. Me, Mastin, Radiant, Crazzy, and Jason. The people voting for those people can't ALL be right, but you could ALL be wrong. We have nine days left, which is good because we aren't even close. I'm putting myself back at square one and going to redo my reads, because something is wrong.

[JasonWazza]

Jason has over 3000 posts and has played more mafia games than the amount of times you've engaged in sexual intercourse. You (someone who has played 1 game of mafia) claiming that Jason's "crazy aggressiveness" will cost us the game is hilarious.

I wish to be able to quote this on my wiki when the game is done (partially a note to self, partially asking nul if i can)

[Lucky2u]

I don't know how quotable a line that is... While I understand he was trying to make it an insult, it comes off that the amount of times I've had sex is a large number, but that the number of games you've played is SO large it surpasses even that. For example, Jason, You've played more games of mafia than Willy Nelson has hit the bong.

The implication that Nul inadvertently makes is that while I am having sex, you are here playing Mafia.... I'm ok with that scenario to be honest. Rather be getting laid than be good at this game. You know what they say though, to each their own.

Side note: It doesn't alter my read in either direction but wasn't Nul telling ME not to use Ad Hominem? Perhaps I touched a nerve somewhere...

[JasonWazza]

I'd rather be getting both so yeah

[RadiantCowbells]

The Cowbell's Reads.

Lucky2u.

Verdict: Leaning scum. He's the king of hell, after all.

All quotes in this section belong to Lucky2u.

My experience with Mafia games is in real life versions I've played at conventions. This is my second game on the site, I lost my first game as a vanilla townie to a perfect mafia victory.

Should I random vote now?

Asks for permission to random vote. Scummy.
Claims inexperience in first post. Scummy.
Previous game comment. Null.

VOTE: Crazzygoat

Well come on... he's a crazzy goat! ...with two z's! Need I say more?

Complete null.

Thanks mastin

I am very curious to see where you are going with uct.

Curious to see where he is going, but doesn't make a case of his own. Scummy.

I have a feeling Mastin is doing (excuse me I forget the short name for it) "vote so he can read the reaction" strategy. Otherwise, it's kind of weird to make a serious vote so early and then change to another serious vote rather quickly. I am still waiting to hear his explanation on ucriton. Speaking of which, in my first game we had a day 1 character like ucrit that dug himself a whole by getting more and more desperate like he is right now. He flipped vanilla when we lynched him and I regretted it because I initially defended that guy and was swayed by who I later found out to be the scum. I know all games are different, but I won't be in a rush to repeat my mistake and I plead to the other townies to think carefully about what they are doing.

I really hope the other players show up soon.

Was mostly okay with the push on UCT, but not at all okay with the push for this lynch, and tries to discredit it from afar. Scummy.
Also claims towny.

I'm glad to be right about Mastin. I don't see why calling that was a scum tell but oh well. Concerning why I asked about random vote in my first post, since it set some alarms with you all, it's because there were two posts before me that didn't random vote. In my first game, everyone came out the gate with a RVS, so I was thrown a bit off by that not happening this time.

As for my current scum reads, I'm leaning towards those who are saying the least but are still here. Like Radiant and Para. I don't have any strong town reads.

Apparently I'm scummy for doing the exact same thing he is.
Why are you so worried about what other people are doing, if you're not trying to fit into the crowd?

Sheesh Nul, so critical so fast.

Also, what do you mean by "at this point in the game"? We are in Day 1 with almost all of the two week deadline left and one player still yet to check in. In my opinion, it's still damn early and I won't rush myself because you are on a hammer hunt. You can keep your vote, but I'm not changing my play style.

This post actually looks very town. Does it do much to discredit the mounting scumminess?

Let me answer for him. No. It isn't and if he thinks it is, he will be the easiest one of the scum to manipulate. That is a horrible way to decide a town read, and please don't make that same mistake.

Yeah, it's a horrible way to decide a town read.

This post would be very town but something about the way it's written makes me .

supernatural is awesome shut up moose blah blah blah

<3 Supernatural.

Mattel: Easiest, he has one post and just showed up. I am not willingly to say anything about him. No Read.

Mastin: He is the IC and his posts have been very informative (even though half of it has been why I'm scum). I liked his opening strat of using votes to get reactions, I think this is the most town thing he's done. It's possible to have done it as a scum looking to appear town, but that's just me being paranoid about IC's experiance I think. He has a Town Read from me.

Ucrit: As I said in an earlier post, he reminds alot of someone in my first game who got blamed on day 1 and started flaying. It's so similar that I really think it would be the same result if he got lynched. Town Read.

Crazzygoat: Looking at his posts, he seems to be playing it safe. Nothing about him screams scum or town. He has asked questions, and made reads but he is not committing to anything that could be used against him. No Read.

Jason: He has been REALLY aggressive so far in this game. I feel like scum would avoid being aggressive. Still, the way he is also being so rude at times makes me think of a guilty person. So I have to say l have a light Scum Read on him.

Radiant: My fellow hunter here bothers me because he joined the ucrit wagon briefly (still has his vote there) and then sort of sat back and did nothing else. He mentioned how if he talks he tends to get lynched but that is a bad excuse to not be active. Sorry buddy but Scum Read....

Paradigm: Checked in on page 2 and has a total of 2 posts. Either super lazy town that needs to be replaced or laying low scum that we should lynch soon. Scum Read, because the latter seems more likely.

Nul: You've been really aggressive toward me (and others) so far this game, but after ISO'ing myself I can't really blame you. The difference between your aggressiveness and Jason's is that you are asking questions and trying to get us to move on. Town Read - but this doesn't mean we're friends.

Lucky2u: Well clearly this guy is town, just look at his avatar! Crowley the King of Hell has never lied or cheated anyone before, you can trust him. Super Town Read.

The whole "easiest" thing is not something I like.
Why would thought turn to easiness unless you were trying to fake leads?
On the subject of Ucrit, this whole white knighting interests me. I'd have more to say about it if I got a flip on either of them.
Why do you think someone who has been as super avoidant as Crazzygoat is not scum?
Yeah, Jason comes in with way too big of an ego.
So when I say it it's a bad excuse, but when you use it to justify your own actions it's not?
I agree about Null. He's probably my biggest town read thus far in the game.

Because I realized I never answered your first question Nul

I answered the question because it was such an obvious one. It may not have been meant for me, but I don't think ucrit was asking it seriously either. He was trying to make the same point I was. It's a bad idea to town read people who agree with you on one thing.

Something about the way he keeps reiterating this idea strikes me as scum with the thought process "zomg! that doesnt make you town and i didnt think of it first and if I try to copy i'll just look like scum so STOP DOING IT so I can look town and you don't." If you get my meaning?

I actually expected that reaction from Jason. I can't say for certain whether he is scum or not, but he would be worth getting rid of either way. He is borderline crazy, (see the "GIBWPGEIHBOAIN" in his last post) and even if he is a town will do more damage than good.

Also, while he contests my logic on his read (and thats fine, it makes sense atleast), he shoots down the rest of my reads by just saying they are terrible and not saying why. Either he didn't read them, he was too blinded by crazy when I scum read him, or he was too lazy to give reasons. None of those are good excuses for a sweeping generalization like that.

Also, the only reason I was reluctant to make the reads wasn't because I didn't want to do it, it was because Nul was the person who asked me. Nul had just criticized me one page ago about my reads. He asked nicely though, so I didn't see a problem with it.

VOTE: JasonWazza

I really don't like this guy.

It's okay, I don't like him either.

Keep talking Jason. If you say things louder and ruder, it makes them more true.

Hello, boys.

Am I missing something here? Who is that "regardless of what you think" aimed at? Are you playing this game on drugs

Teehee silly boyz.

I think Radiant said it best "...I've found that whenever I'm talkative I get lynched or pushed on immediately...". So yea it can be a bad thing. That's why one scum strategy is to lurk, they know by speaking up it does exactly what you are doing to me.

When Radiant does it, it's a terrible excuse. When I do it, I'm a shining beacon of towny awesomeness.

No, it's called a sense of humor, not Freudian slip. In order to fully understand, please kindly bend over, reach around behind you, then remove stick from ass. Also, it is possible to not be friends and be on the same team. Have you never had a job? or been put in a group for a school project? or played a game of Mafia in RL?

My name is Obama and I approve of this message.

I want to vote for Jason because his crazy aggressiveness will end in a scum victory, regardless of whether he is scum or not. I pray that some of you see that too, if not, I'll join the paradigm wagon. If you insist on voting for me, make sure you take a close look at Nul in the next day, since he is the one leading this wagon.

So, you think Nul is town, but you also want Nul lynchd because he's voting for you, even though you Iso'd yourself and think that you would want to vote yourself.

You are like Fox News dude, you pulled a sentence out of context to use against me. I was talking about why speaking up is bad and how scum don't do that. (the implication I was making is scum lurk and I am not lurking, hence I =/= scum) There is no reason for me to have explain that. Why you ask? Because you either are too stupid to understand that or you don't care and are just trying to lynch me regardless. I am explaining it anyway, because the worse your arguments get against me, the more you will expose yourself as scum.

There should be a Godwin's Law for mafia involving comparisons to Fox News. The side that invokes a Fox News comparison automatically loses the argument. Do you genuinely not see the holes in your own stance that you purported to notice before, or do you really think that anyone is being exposed as scum?

@Crazzy It's an accidental slip that reveals an unconscious motive that you didn't mean to reveal.

No I'm not going to stop Ad Hominem, because this isn't a trial where you are the lawyer questioning a suspect. You are a suspect questioning another suspect. Therefor it is perfectly valid for me to point out how you are flawed so that the other people in this room (who are being eerily quiet, I would like to hear some other voices please) can take that into consideration. I mean if the town fool cries wolf, you only half listen.

How about a Reductio ad FoxNewsium? You should google that too.
Ad hominem attacks actually apply to a decent extent in mafia, anyway, because normally calling someone scummy would be an ad hominem, but not in Mafia, because it's a game of figuring out who the scummy people are.

From now on, you should call Jason moose. That will teach him.

It's hard to tell if Radiant is really this gun shy legitimately or not. Either way I'm not sure his reserved nature helps us out when he is so guarded about his reads. Right now The biggest talkers have been Nul and me over the last few pages. We need more input from all sides, and I would like to know what happened to Mattel who claimed he would catch up the night he checked in, two days ago.

Honestly, I'm not. I just wanted to try a new meta. I'm actually usually extremely aggressive and pushy, but that causes me to get lynched day one, so I tried the polar opposite. Obviously, it worked no better. I do well as mafia being aggressive, but not as town v.v

I really feel like I'm getting no where in going back and forth against Nul. His last few posts show that I can keep it up but I'll never change HIS mind. If anyone else is looking for answers from me, feel free to ask and I'll reply.

UNVOTE:

We are so scattered in our votes right now that I think who ever we end up on, it's going to be more luck than anything. The odds are not in our favor and regardless of "tells", all current evidence against everyone is weak and circumstantial. Radiant is on Crazzy, Nul is on me, Jason is on Radiant, Paradigm is on Mastin, Ucrit is on Jason, I was on Nul, and two people aren't voting, one who is V/LA. It's all a mess right now and if you look at it visually we are all standing in a circle pointing in random directions. I know some of you are going to read this and chastise me again for "not contributing" or say that this doesn't help us, but I think it does. Seven town and two scum, with everyone so wildly different in their votes. This means that whoever you are voting for, probably isn't scum. So follow me down this thread for a second. With my vote removed, there are five people with votes on them. Me, Mastin, Radiant, Crazzy, and Jason. The people voting for those people can't ALL be right, but you could ALL be wrong. We have nine days left, which is good because we aren't even close. I'm putting myself back at square one and going to redo my reads, because something is wrong.

Crowley, what exactly was the purpose of this post? Explain it to me clearly.

I don't know how quotable a line that is... While I understand he was trying to make it an insult, it comes off that the amount of times I've had sex is a large number, but that the number of games you've played is SO large it surpasses even that. For example, Jason, You've played more games of mafia than Willy Nelson has hit the bong.

The implication that Nul inadvertently makes is that while I am having sex, you are here playing Mafia.... I'm ok with that scenario to be honest. Rather be getting laid than be good at this game. You know what they say though, to each their own.

Side note: It doesn't alter my read in either direction but wasn't Nul telling ME not to use Ad Hominem? Perhaps I touched a nerve somewhere...

Frankly, outside of oral I had performed on me a few weeks ago, I haven't had sex in eight years. I'm starting to rekindle my enthusiasm for it though.


TOTAL VERDICT.

Yeah, he's probably scum.

VOTE: Crowley

Vote not counted as it was not placed on a player in this game. If you were referring to someone by nickname, please clarify and in the future use their name as it appears in the player list.

[RadiantCowbells]

Mod Edit: Removing duplicate post

[RadiantCowbells]

Now I have a strong scum read and I feel no reason to do any more reads today, because I'll get shot tonight if I don't get doc/jked, and if I do then I'll post them tomorrow.

With love, Radiantus Cowbellus

[JasonWazza]

UNVOTE: RadiantCowbells
VOTE: Lucky2u

That is town RC for once.

[theory]
RC unless you are a PR there is no reason to hold back.

VT's are here to be shot, save a fucking PR for god's sake.
[/theory]

[RadiantCowbells]

But, if scum thinks I'm a PR because I'm trying to avoid being shot, they'll shoot me when I'm a VT.

But if I'm a PR, scum thinks I'm just wifoming a PR by being hestitant to stand out.

Or, a second level of meta, what if I'm a PR but my PR is bulletproof townie- so I actually WANT to be shot.

Mafia games are like ogres. They have layers.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah but your more likely to get shot by leading the town.

Like massively more likely.

[Lucky2u]

Radiant... how could you betray your king like that? Seriously, I've never smiled while reading someone making a case against me. That's Nul, Moose (Jason), and Radiant on me now, damn. Just in case I miss the opportunity to ask this... If this wagon does end up hammering me, PLEASE delay the final vote long enough for me to give my final reads and help out the townies that are lynching me.

Some things you mention Radiant....

Asks for permission to random vote. Scummy.
Claims inexperience in first post. Scummy.
Previous game comment. Null.

I already explained why I asked to random vote. This is a noob game, claiming inexperience could be scum... or it could just be noob being noob.

VOTE: Crazzygoat

Well come on... he's a crazzy goat! ...with two z's! Need I say more?

Complete null.

Why did you quote my random vote? Were you trying to pad your post? There is no reason to even evaluate this action, it was RVS and I never argued a real case against him.

Thanks mastin

I am very curious to see where you are going with uct.

Curious to see where he is going, but doesn't make a case of his own. Scummy.

Do you remember the context of the situation you are talking about? Mastin was making a mysterious vote, purposefully trying to be secretive and promising to explain it later. I was curious and voiced it, that's all. There was no case to make because I wasn't suspecting uct enough yet and wanted to see what Mastin "knew" before I said anything. As it turns out, he was just voting for reaction and had no case against uct. Wouldn't it have been weird if I had built a case when even Mastin didn't have one?

Why are you so worried about what other people are doing, if you're not trying to fit into the crowd?

Of course I'm trying to fit into the crowd. That doesn't mean I'm scum. Something you and Nul don't seem to understand is that townies need to fit in or atleast appear innocent too or the other townies (who don't know whos who) will lynch them, with the scum cheering them on . Sadly my point will be illustrated best if you DO lynch me. Because then you will see I was right, townies do need to try to fit in, or they die.

I really feel like I'm getting no where in going back and forth against Nul. His last few posts show that I can keep it up but I'll never change HIS mind. If anyone else is looking for answers from me, feel free to ask and I'll reply.

UNVOTE:

We are so scattered in our votes right now that I think who ever we end up on, it's going to be more luck than anything. The odds are not in our favor and regardless of "tells", all current evidence against everyone is weak and circumstantial. Radiant is on Crazzy, Nul is on me, Jason is on Radiant, Paradigm is on Mastin, Ucrit is on Jason, I was on Nul, and two people aren't voting, one who is V/LA. It's all a mess right now and if you look at it visually we are all standing in a circle pointing in random directions. I know some of you are going to read this and chastise me again for "not contributing" or say that this doesn't help us, but I think it does. Seven town and two scum, with everyone so wildly different in their votes. This means that whoever you are voting for, probably isn't scum. So follow me down this thread for a second. With my vote removed, there are five people with votes on them. Me, Mastin, Radiant, Crazzy, and Jason. The people voting for those people can't ALL be right, but you could ALL be wrong. We have nine days left, which is good because we aren't even close. I'm putting myself back at square one and going to redo my reads, because something is wrong.

Crowley, what exactly was the purpose of this post? Explain it to me clearly.

What do you mean? What part was not clear or did you not understand?

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Clearly I've made some dumb decisions in this game as a townie. It's a noob game, so I won't cry over it. Radiant, most of your reasons for reading me scummy could also be reasons to read me as noob or just bad. If you learn anything from this game, learn to not betray your king.

[Lucky2u]

Nul posts in the morning, can't wait to see how happy he is about the tide turning on me...

[JasonWazza]

That AtE.

[Lucky2u]

Sure probably, but if that's the WRONG thing to do, what's the RIGHT thing? Put yourself in my town shoes and rewrite that post better.

[JasonWazza]

Easy, i'd be scumhunting.