Micro 181: Everyone's being watched (Game Over)

Wisdom · Post Post #300 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 1:50 pm

This ETA is different from the one mollie uses.
mollie's is something like pedit while this one is estimated time of arrival.

Wisdom · Post Post #301 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 1:52 pm

And yeah, Rach/Mala sounds good.

JasonWazza · Post Post #302 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 1:53 pm

Vote Count 1.8

[3] Fuzzybutternut: Horus, Zionite, Does Bo Know,
[1] RachMarie: Wisdom,
[1] Zionite: Fuzzybutternut,
[1] Miss Destroyer: RachMarie,
[1] Wisdom: Grimgroove,

Not voting: Miss Destroyer, Malakittens,

with 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2013-06-07 15:08:42)

Malakittens · Post Post #303 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 3:00 pm

In post 292, fuzzybutternut wrote:
In post 285, Malakittens wrote:@fuzzy:

Funny. DBK admits he was wrong in a post and he becomes a town read for it. I do the same thing and I'm a mild scum read.. Does it make sense? Nope.

My first vote was RVS.. You didn't have a problem with my second vote, but now apparently you bring that up. My third vote was an accidental misunderstanding which pinged a scum radar enough to warrant a vote.
Funny how you immediately try to defend yourself when I say that you are
probable
scum. Town doesn't do that.

Word of advice. Town

does

do that. I'm calling out for your illogical mindset. You stated you had a town read on one player, but instead of giving a slight town read to another player.. You put them as probable scum. The fact you're not applying the same thing to two different people is rather odd.

Again, if you had a problem with my vote the first time around.. Why didn't you call it out then? Why did you wait until now to do so?

Mild scum read to me is the same as probable scum. Mild you aren't really feeling up to vote for them, but they are pinging a radar.
____

@Mara:

Do we even

have

a completed town game together? I know I was town during HB, but I was also in a hydra so that's not really the correct way to 'research'.

You're placing a 'jumpy' tell with only half a meta read.

Malakittens · Post Post #304 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 3:01 pm

@Wisdom:

Please explain where you see a Rach/Mala team?

fuzzybutternut · Post Post #305 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 3:04 pm

In post 303, Malakittens wrote:
In post 292, fuzzybutternut wrote:
In post 285, Malakittens wrote:@fuzzy:

Funny. DBK admits he was wrong in a post and he becomes a town read for it. I do the same thing and I'm a mild scum read.. Does it make sense? Nope.

My first vote was RVS.. You didn't have a problem with my second vote, but now apparently you bring that up. My third vote was an accidental misunderstanding which pinged a scum radar enough to warrant a vote.
Funny how you immediately try to defend yourself when I say that you are
probable
scum. Town doesn't do that.
Word of advice. Town
does
do that. I'm calling out for your illogical mindset. You stated you had a town read on one player, but instead of giving a slight town read to another player.. You put them as probable scum. The fact you're not applying the same thing to two different people is rather odd.

Again, if you had a problem with my vote the first time around.. Why didn't you call it out then? Why did you wait until now to do so?

Mild scum read to me is the same as probable scum. Mild you aren't really feeling up to vote for them, but they are pinging a radar.
____

@Mara:

Do we even
have
a completed town game together? I know I was town during HB, but I was also in a hydra so that's not really the correct way to 'research'.

You're placing a 'jumpy' tell with only half a meta read.

No, probable scum means that I find it very likely you could be scum. If I thought you were scum, I'd vote you; however, I don't think you are at this particular moment. The only reason I mentioned that you were probable scum is because you displayed behavior that I found more scummy than anything else.

Malakittens · Post Post #306 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 3:06 pm

In post 289, Does Bo Know wrote:
In post 285, Malakittens wrote:@fuzzy:

Funny. DBK admits he was wrong in a post and he becomes a town read for it. I do the same thing and I'm a mild scum read.. Does it make sense? Nope.
This is exactly why I asked the question.

Fuzzy's not trying to scumhunt much anymore. This is normally a good scum tell in his game.

Can you provide a meta link? I have seen Fuzzy do this as town sometimes too as he gets 'demotivated' or not attached to the game at all.

In post 291, Grimgroove wrote:I'm slowly losing touch with this baby. Reading through the topic tonight and posting thoughts tomorrow.

Really? How? You were posting a decent amount prior. I'm not sure how you are losing touch...

In post 295, Zionite wrote:Oh, and if Malakittens is my scumbuddy in your read, how do you explain the vote on me back on 53, and the extended amount of time that vote remained there? I find it hard to argue the second vote on someone is a bus vote.

This is valid argument for Zion to make. I don't believe I have ever seen a second vote as a bus vote. I think of bus votes more towards the L-2/L-1 category. I have also seen scum hammer each other.

Malakittens · Post Post #307 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 3:08 pm

No, probable scum means that I find it very likely you could be scum. If I thought you were scum, I'd vote you; however, I don't think you are at this particular moment. The only reason I mentioned that you were probable scum is because you displayed behavior that I found more scummy than anything else.

Again, why didn't you call out this scummy behavior earlier? I just find it extremely suspicious you post this

after

people start to look in my direction.

I just don't like how you aren't applying one thing to one person, but not to another.

fuzzybutternut · Post Post #308 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 3:10 pm

I explained this, Mala. Two people can say the exact same thing, but that doesn't mean they have to come from the same mindset.

Wisdom · Post Post #309 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 3:12 pm

In post 304, Malakittens wrote:@Wisdom:

Please explain where you see a Rach/Mala team?

Noted that you ask just me instead of Miss D who first introduced the idea.

PoE mostly, I don't see many people making sense as Rach's buddy.

Malakittens · Post Post #310 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 3:19 pm

You are missing my whole point. If you thought my vote was oppurnist why didn't you call it out prior? Why did you wait until people are looking in my direction before pointing it out?

RachMarie · Post Post #311 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 3:21 pm

uhh gee Wis could that maybe be a clue that I am not scumz... just a thought...

fuzzybutternut · Post Post #312 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 3:23 pm

In post 310, Malakittens wrote:You are missing my whole point. If you thought my vote was oppurnist why didn't you call it out prior? Why did you wait until people are looking in my direction before pointing it out?

I didn't. I was asked about you, and I answered. I didn't even notice your vote until I ISO'd you.

Zionite · Post Post #313 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 3:29 pm

DID YOU NOTICE ANY OF MY QUESTIONS THOUGH!?

Wisdom · Post Post #314 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 3:36 pm

In post 311, RachMarie wrote:uhh gee Wis could that maybe be a clue that I am not scumz... just a thought...

Huh? How so?

RachMarie · Post Post #315 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 4:10 pm

because I dont "fit" with anyone that is...

Wisdom · Post Post #316 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 4:14 pm

The fact I haven't been able to find who your partner is yet does not give you any town points. It's normal.

Zionite · Post Post #317 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 4:24 pm

@Rach: you're too quick to find (bad) evidence that you're town instead of voting obvious scum Fuzzy.

Wisdom · Post Post #318 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 4:29 pm

I don't think he's obvious scum.

Zionite · Post Post #319 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 4:30 pm

When a player refuses to even acknowledge a case against themselves it's pretty much guaranteed unless he's just bad.

RachMarie · Post Post #320 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 4:31 pm

bah I give up

Wis clearly is stuck in his conf bias which is unfortunate because he is prob town...

moving along to look at others now.

Malakittens · Post Post #321 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 4:31 pm

Rach.. Just because you don't have a possible partner doesn't clear you... It just means you haven't interacted enough with players to find a partner.

Wisdom · Post Post #322 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 4:31 pm

Have you tried to meta him at all, Zionite? Ignoring things and being VI-ish are things he does as town.

Wisdom · Post Post #323 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 4:32 pm

In post 321, Malakittens wrote:Rach.. Just because you don't have a possible partner doesn't clear you... It just means you haven't interacted enough with players to find a partner.

Look at Mala interacting so we don't think she's the partner

Zionite · Post Post #324 (ISO) » Thu May 30, 2013 4:32 pm

Again, this is the same guy that says I'm on his scum list. Why wouldn't he use this as an opportunity to solidify that read and persuade others? It only makes sense if he's scum or bad at mafia, so I think he's scum.

I don't care what his meta is; if he wants to present it as a defense I'll listen but it's not my job to go look for it.