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[Malakittens]

/confirm

[Malakittens]

Hi

(:

VOTE: Miss D

[Malakittens]

Oh, I like Horus so far.

He's feisty. ;D

[Malakittens]

What happened to placing a vote because they find a player suspicious.

Zionite is willing to remove his vote for a comprise.

Kay not liking it.

VOTE: Zionite

[Malakittens]

I don't really like DBK's L-1 vote. Seemed like he had a case, but never went into details about it. Which is sketchy to me.

I'd probably move my vote there if I didn't already feel as if its in a good spot.

He seems to be freaking out in my opinion.

@Fuzzy:

You seem different this game.. More activity for one and secondly giving out reads.. Is there a reason for this? Did you roll scum?

[Malakittens]

Because I agree where my vote is. As previously stated Zion was coming off forced/fake as hell and he's currently freaking out about the wagon. Which just screams gut-scum to me.

I just don't like DKB hopping onto the wagon with no reason and making it an L-1 with less than 4 pages.

[Malakittens]

Misrep me more. Ill be back in 15 to show you exactly where the misrep is.

[Malakittens]

Misrep:

"I was going to make details about it, but Mala didn’t think I was."

I don't really like DBK's L-1 vote.

Seemed like he had a case, but never went into details about it.

Which is sketchy to me.

I thought you HAD a case, but it felt off that you didn't post the details right then and there. Your jump felt like a scum hop onto the wagon. Granted it's gut, but as I said I don't like L-1 by page 4 because there's not much information to work off of.

Oh and you are lining up lynches. That's cute. Don't speculate without a flip and not thinking that either Zio or I could be the same alignment.

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@Grim:

It's not a strong argument, but it's all I have for now. Please tell me where a stronger argument is when we are barely off Page 55.

[Malakittens]

Limited access til Thursday

[Malakittens]

Holy shit, HD liked Bo for town and I agree with him though one thing catches my attention

"That’s all gut, though. In fact, I’m more confident Mala is town if Zionite flips scum, than I am confident Mala is scum if Zionite flips town."

I was gonna tell you that you were misrepping, but I went back to check. So yeah, Malatown/Zionscum is more likely to me than Malascum/Ziontown.

More reasoning to this if at all Possible? HD liked Zio scum, and

he also left me a note saying he liked Mala scum and I'm agreeing with Mala-scum. alot of the stuff you are saying remind me of stuff HD left me when he stated his vote and his confidence in Zio scum is super similar to yours.

I think I'm vibing rach as town this game, she's more aggressive than her scum games I had with her so I'm leaving her alone.

I'm thinking Horus was scum, though I'm starting to lean town on him and I'm leaning town on groove so I didn't read their walls.

I think Wisdom might be town...

I am forgetting to snipe the quote, but I don't care.

Please explain the bolded.

First off your vote on Zion lacked explanation. So how could I possibly be managing to copy HD's thoughts when he posted aboutsely nothing, but this

Scum found.

VOTE: Zionite

Also Rach and Mala are totes scared of us~

~

This is odd to me that you are criticizing me for voting someone and copying HD's thoughts when it's clearly not at all present in the thread.

This just pinged my scumradar so hard it's not even funny.

VOTE: Miss Destroyer

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I have to agree with Wisdom. Rach your post was seemingly defensive as all hell. (221)

Although only thing is I have seen Wisdom jump at a player when they write this, "Yeah and who will you look at when I flip TOWN eh?", but he hasn't actually jumped other than broadly saying the post was an overreaction.

I'm kinda liking Wisdom for town. His interactions with MD sound genuine and he's questioning.

[Malakittens]

I misread what Mara said. Still doesn't change the fact the way you wrote it sounded like I sheeped thoughts that weren't there, but I'm removing my vote as it was a mistake. So nothing stands there.

UNVOTE: Miss D

Yes, I'm known to be reactive more as town then I am when I'm scum. Not sure why it matters though. You're asking a weak question without actually doing the research yourself.

[Malakittens]

@fuzzy:

Funny. DBK admits he was wrong in a post and he becomes a town read for it. I do the same thing and I'm a mild scum read.. Does it make sense? Nope.

My first vote was RVS.. You didn't have a problem with my second vote, but now apparently you bring that up. My third vote was an accidental misunderstanding which pinged a scum radar enough to warrant a vote.

[Malakittens]

@fuzzy:

Funny. DBK admits he was wrong in a post and he becomes a town read for it. I do the same thing and I'm a mild scum read.. Does it make sense? Nope.

My first vote was RVS.. You didn't have a problem with my second vote, but now apparently you bring that up. My third vote was an accidental misunderstanding which pinged a scum radar enough to warrant a vote.

Funny how you immediately try to defend yourself when I say that you are

probable

scum. Town doesn't do that.

Word of advice. Town

does

do that. I'm calling out for your illogical mindset. You stated you had a town read on one player, but instead of giving a slight town read to another player.. You put them as probable scum. The fact you're not applying the same thing to two different people is rather odd.

Again, if you had a problem with my vote the first time around.. Why didn't you call it out then? Why did you wait until now to do so?

Mild scum read to me is the same as probable scum. Mild you aren't really feeling up to vote for them, but they are pinging a radar.
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@Mara:

Do we even

have

a completed town game together? I know I was town during HB, but I was also in a hydra so that's not really the correct way to 'research'.

You're placing a 'jumpy' tell with only half a meta read.

[Malakittens]

@Wisdom:

Please explain where you see a Rach/Mala team?

[Malakittens]

@fuzzy:

Funny. DBK admits he was wrong in a post and he becomes a town read for it. I do the same thing and I'm a mild scum read.. Does it make sense? Nope.

This is exactly why I asked the question.

Fuzzy's not trying to scumhunt much anymore. This is normally a good scum tell in his game.

Can you provide a meta link? I have seen Fuzzy do this as town sometimes too as he gets 'demotivated' or not attached to the game at all.

I'm slowly losing touch with this baby. Reading through the topic tonight and posting thoughts tomorrow.

Really? How? You were posting a decent amount prior. I'm not sure how you are losing touch...

Oh, and if Malakittens is my scumbuddy in your read, how do you explain the vote on me back on 53, and the extended amount of time that vote remained there? I find it hard to argue the second vote on someone is a bus vote.

This is valid argument for Zion to make. I don't believe I have ever seen a second vote as a bus vote. I think of bus votes more towards the L-2/L-1 category. I have also seen scum hammer each other.

[Malakittens]

No, probable scum means that I find it very likely you could be scum. If I thought you were scum, I'd vote you; however, I don't think you are at this particular moment. The only reason I mentioned that you were probable scum is because you displayed behavior that I found more scummy than anything else.

Again, why didn't you call out this scummy behavior earlier? I just find it extremely suspicious you post this

after

people start to look in my direction.

I just don't like how you aren't applying one thing to one person, but not to another.

[Malakittens]

You are missing my whole point. If you thought my vote was oppurnist why didn't you call it out prior? Why did you wait until people are looking in my direction before pointing it out?

[Malakittens]

Rach.. Just because you don't have a possible partner doesn't clear you... It just means you haven't interacted enough with players to find a partner.

[Malakittens]

Zion..

Did you just rolefish towards Fuzzy.

>_>

[Malakittens]

Where is your case?

I see a lot of mega tunneling on Fuzzy then a vote for me?

To be fair.. Fuzzy did a lot of tunneling himself on Zion without a case.

Why are you calling out Zion's tunneling, but not Fuzzy's tunneling?

[Malakittens]

Why are you softclaiming a PR?

WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ROLEFISHING.

One does it .. Does not mean you can do it back.

Stfu. ._.

[Malakittens]

I don't see how you think Fuzzy is town when he just asked Zion straight up if he was a PR. I don't see town motivation for asking that.

VOTE: Fuzzy

[Malakittens]

...

Dude, it's called hunting. I'm not hunting based on interactions on players before flips. I'm hunting based on what someone does in that moment and if its scummy ill call them out on it.

So you don't like how I scum hunt cool, but you're going to have to learn to deal with it because its how I play. Ill hunt for team member after I get a scum flip.

[Malakittens]

@Horus:

Why did you dodge both Fuzzy's, but Zion's direct role fishing.

[Malakittens]

It's not so much exaggerated as it is overreacting. Simply stating something about a power role is not the same thing as asking about a players role.

Back to the real issue; horus, you didn't respond to my rebuttal. Why?

Oh no but pointing out 'hey guise he has a pr' helps fucken scum out more so people (town) should learn to shut up about it

[Malakittens]

Hi swordfish. Nice to play with you again.

I can understand you not being able to respond to wtf your slot was doing before last game day, but I'd like to see your thoughts so far.

Wisdom: why'd vote swords?

Fyzzy.

Hiii Mara! Come talk to me because your were lurking hardcore lat day period and what not:

Ill cast a vote tommorow web more discussion am has apparead.

[Malakittens]

Mara? When did you get the 'I think swords is scum'?

Why do you think he's a town slot?

Who do you think is scum? I mean you're okay at saying Sword is town without going into detail why.

[Malakittens]

Mala, who is scum?

Thinking maybe Rach, Hd/Mara hydra. Had a feel on DBK, but waiting for Swords to post.

Grim feels town and so do you. Horus is null-leaning town as I like him last day period.

[Malakittens]

Hey Rach, hey Rach!

I see you posting elsewhere!

[Malakittens]

I agree with Wisdom on the whole Rach/activity issue.. I would have said exactly what he said.

This might be just me, but I feel as if Rach is just going after lurkers.. Which I don't like..

I do like Swords catch up so far. It's what id expect from a town-Swords and due to this he can go into the leaning town pile.

Rach are you considering the posts from earlier days? You had a town read on Horus, but you seem to be hedging right now about the read on him.

[Malakittens]

I'm not defending them? I have a thing about people going after lurkers.
I'm testing you to see how you would react. As if you're scum looking for an easy vote or if you're town trying to pressure someone.
No need to get defensive about it. >.>

[Malakittens]

I do think its odd. I think it's more odd that you're taking the easy way out.

[Malakittens]

Oh Mara n.n

You fake claiming would ping HB all over again. That game made me learn that you'd do anything to survive when you're scum.

[Malakittens]

So are you saying she isn't scum, Mala?

No, I'm just never going to let her forget the memory of that game.

Also:

VOTE: Rach

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I'd honestly like to hear from Horus replacement before we go into night. Plus I want to see Rach's reaction to Mara etc.

[Malakittens]

Read my posts against Rach.

She seems to go after easy targets persay and not fleshing out her reads.

I did answer you? She could be scum, but she also could not. I'm still leaning on her being scum, but I don't want to end night so early. She hasn't fully claim - she's soft claimed, but that doesn't equal a full claim. She's just stalling..

[Malakittens]

You're so going next

Kcool.

[Malakittens]

Ill be catching up in the morning, but egg how am I scum?

[Malakittens]

@Egg:

So let's see. You come into the thread chainsaw defend the largest wagon (MD) and then chainsaw the second largest wagon (Rach). Now you're trying to deflect the wagons onto me without really giving a read on Grim, Wisdom or Swords.
Although your first post gave out how you feel about them Grim/Wisdom, but not in depth. You didn't mention Swords/Bo.

You say you have meta to defend HD, but he's barely posting and for Mara I'm just not seeing her town play. (I have played with both alignments and I'm starting to figure out how to read her correctly)
So link me to your meta defense of HD, What shows us he's town rather not scum? Where's the similarities or differences between his play? Have you done an analysis on Mara too?

So question is have you read up on anyone else's meta other than HD's? Such as have you done a meta analysis of me?

Why are you so sure someone other than Rach did visit Fuzzy. You are so blinded thinking she's being truthful when there's a chance she could be lying.

@Rach you were at L-2 and this isn't the first time you panicked and claimed early like this. You did this in HB and due to this it gives off a semi-town tell, but the difference is between this game and that game you are more passive in my opinion. Which doesn't jibe with your town-meta.

[Malakittens]

Oh I forgot to add.

Mara unvoting after HD voted and not voting Rach gives me a townier vibe then Rach's panicked claim. Mara could have easily tried to be survivialist and vote Rach, but didn't. This gives me the vibe that she doesn't care how she looks. Although, I'm not sure where's she's going with this because it feels as if she has more town-reads then scum-reads and the only scum-read she's sure of is Rach. That there gives me mixed feelings, but I think I'm warming up to the fact she might be town.

I'm still liking Grim for town. I'm not seeing any scum intent in his posts. He seems to be trying to hunt and actively question people.

Wisdom seems to be wanting to rush a lynch. #634 seems to me as he wants to cut the day short. I know he's convinced that MD is scum, but still conversation will help lead to associative tells.

[Malakittens]

Why couldn't she be scum and both partners visited the target to throw off any watcher results?

I don't think you put a lot of thought into this, to be honest. You're just defending two people who are in trouble. If you're scum and end up being lynched you could easily chainsaw defend to bring one person down and possibly protect your partner for another day. That's how an effective chainsaw defense is

supposed

to work.

Although your first post gave out how you feel about them Grim/Wisdom, but not in depth.

You didn't mention Swords/Bo.

Read my post again because you're attacking me over something stupid. Your reads on certain players are NOT in depth. I was very aware you gave out a read, but it's not fully branched out and I want MORE. More then just "He's scum or he's town as fuck". Why are they scum? Why is he town as fuck?

You do realize that players can change? Explain to me what games you remember him from? How long ago was it? Recentish?

[Malakittens]

What didn't I reply too. I did reply to it..

[Malakittens]

I don't feel like defending myself from it right now.

I don't like his current defense of all the high wagons. If they flip town it's more of a "WHY DIDN'T YOU LISTEN TO ME - I TOLD YOU THEY WERE TOWN" type argument in the future. This could be a potential problem in the future and everyone could end up letting him slide and he could flip scum.

So I'm perusing him, but I still think Rach is probably scum.

He has gut on Wisdom yet he's not really going after me. It's going after me for something I did during Day 1. Yeah, okay, not everyone is going to have a solid case and you have to attack

something

to start

somewhere

.

Yeah, I have only played with a town Fuzzy and never a scum Fuzzy and his town game feels different from when I last played with him. Clearly I was wrong about him being scum as he flipped town. He was also rolefishing just like Zio did. Both were legitimately scummy for that alone.

Also for misreading, I'm scum? People misread all the time. I'm a human and humans makes mistakes.

[Malakittens]

I'm fine with what Sword said.

[Malakittens]

I went to DBK also.

Kgo Swords.

[Malakittens]

No, egg has claimed to go where he went has he?

[Malakittens]

Oh I got what you mean now. I misread it the first time around.

[Malakittens]

See the thing we don't know if Horus sent in an action prior to flaking. If he didn't then its likely randomized which could be likely Horus/egg visited Fuzzy due to that.

What I don't get is how Egg defended Rach hardcore. If Egg was scum and did that it would be a ballsy move and we would be moving into the 'too bold to be scum' category type gambit.

There's the chance that Egg could be town and went and visited Fuzzy, but it wouldn't make sense to clear Rach off that because he would know that PoE he could have been the only one other than Rach who visited Fuzzy.

[Malakittens]

How could he PoE before anyone said where they have been? That argument doesn't make much sense.

I think it's clear: either RachMarie is lying, either Egg was the scum who killed fuzzy (but this seems unlikely given his defense of (RachMarie) or someone else lied during the popcorn-round.

Now I guess it's up to the global watcher to clarifiy this situation (if he can), and if not, we're basically back to where we started.

Because if he's town and Rach is town. Why would he clear Rach without knowing if anyone else visited. As I said I don't really see why scum or town would defend Rach like he's doing.

[Malakittens]

@Egg:

Even though you have a scum read on Wisdom.. You are trying to work with him to lynch me? Since when do people work with scum reads to lynch another player?

I already responded to the points against me by you. I'm not trying to brush them away, but you are working on without a flip. You are literally in bias mode that I'm scum and some of this is also PoE.

What do you think of Swords?

[Malakittens]

Yah that's true. Egg has been calling Wisdom/Me scum, but Wisdom was the weaker read.

Hi Mara.

Swords: what do you think of egg?

[Malakittens]

and absolute certainty that you found scum is a scumtell?

Please, over half of my town tunnels start because I'm certain I have found scum. You can look at all my games, and every single person I attack I'm usually more than certain that the person is scum, otherwise I wouldn't attack hard in the first place.

It's the way you expressed it.
As town, you might be very sure someone is scum, but you won't express it the way you did.
"Oh god, I know for a fact you drew scum" is scum theatre confidence.

Wait, since when is the last thing a scum tell? I have seen town do that. >.>

[Malakittens]

Yeah Wisdom. This is a town Mara >.<

I was wrong about the slot earlier, but this IS a town Mara posting. I don't see the scum in her posts right now.

[Malakittens]

Wait, when did Fuzzy doc crumb? Please do point this out Egg.

Just because someone is playing differently doesn't mean I would assume they are a PR. I have played with a Fuzzy-PR and I have played with a Fuzzy-Non-PR. Neither of this Fuzzy felt like either. So I stated it out loud in the thread because I thought we could have potentially thought we had a scum-Fuzzy.

Also if I was scum and either me or my partner put any actions to someone I wouldn't have been stupid enough to claim that I visited so and so. I'm a VT and I picked to visit DBK. Although this makes me think Wisdom could be scum, but right now I'm not jumping to that conclusion as of yet.

The thing that bothers me right now is the fact Wisdom/Egg voted so early in LyLo without anyone/everyone else checking in. This right here bothers me because the only people who are confident to vote in LyLo right away are scum. I have witnessed this a few times.

@Egg:

Why couldn't have MD or Grim potentially be scum? You're connecting Wisdom/I pretty fast and you were doing the same thing last day period.

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While we are on this topic.

We don't know whether or not DBK/Swords was Rb'd/Copped. For that matter we don't know how scum used their actions or even town for that matter.

[Malakittens]

@Egg:

How could you forget it was LyLo?

We had no scum flips so far.

I'm not sure how you could forget it was LyLo.

[Malakittens]

We don't know whether or not DBK/Swords was Rb'd/Copped. For that matter we don't know how scum used their actions or even town for that matter.

WTF is this
We DO know that sword was blocked. If he wasn't blocked he would have results, did he? He didn't. He was blocked.

HOW DO WE KNOW THIS? we don't. You're making stupid bloody assumptions.

Three Theories:

1. He didn't use his action.
2. He was blocked.

It's a 50/50 coin flip. It's seems likely you are overly certain he was blocked.

[Malakittens]

Chances are it's likely not to catch scum?

if I had the role..

I wouldn't use in N1

[Malakittens]

The pool is bigger than N2.

If we get lucky and catch scum on D1/D2 it's easier to catch the last scum.

Then again:

If I was ever a 1-shot anything the likely chance of me using an ability Night 1 is super slim. Only time I'd ever use a 1shot on N1 is if I was a doctor and there was some crazy confirmed town who needed saving.

[Malakittens]

Anyway I'm wasting my breath here, this is a scumwin when Egg logs so I might as well

VOTE: Malakittens

Um, what?

[Malakittens]

I'm not voting myself .>>

[Malakittens]

I'm not scum, Wisdom. ;_;

[Malakittens]

You don't even see how beneficial it is for Egg to keep me alive in LyLo when he has HD's side of the hydra thinking I'm scum, but also you. This is an easy LyLo win vote for him if he succeeds.

[Malakittens]

Yeah and all Mala's Egg addressing and "i dont believe you didnt know its lylo" and crap like this also point more to Mala/Miss D.

I was right the first time.

Damn second guessing.

How does it?

I have seen town fake "oh I don't know it's LyLo."

That whole part of his post felt forced because he's been reading - I'm sure he saw Swords get NK'd so how didn't he know it was LyLo...

[Malakittens]

And what do you even mean "Egg kept you alive". Why would Egg or any other scum kill you over the watcher and the doctor?

Tbh Mala's reactions make me think it's Mala/MissD now. If it was Mala/Egg, she knew she would be winning this when Egg logged, and she wouldn't even have to post these. The fact she does means she didn't win yet.
Maybe we have not lost this yet after all.

Are you implying Egg is scum with Grimgroove, or what?

There's no mistaking that 939 and 940 imply that you think I am town.

So if I am town, who blocked DBK, Mala?

wtf are you talking about, MissD not only think I am scum, but they have voted me and not budging.

But more importantly, you think I am town, right?

1.

Why are you so confident that scum knew who the watcher was? You don't know it could have been a lucky shot. You're basing a lot of shit on a lot of assumptions right now.

2.

Or I'm town and your vote on me will lose the game if the scum team are on at the same time. I still don't see how rushing a decision followed by a vote in LyLo is good practice.

3.

I'm not sure, but I know I'm town.

{You, MD & Egg}

are possible scum for voting so early in LyLo. Scum want to go for a QL. I do, however, think Egg is scum. Grim has been a strong town read for mostly everyone and this is a great way for him to slide by in LyLo when everyone least suspects it.

4.

How is 939 applying that I think you're town? You are voting me and I know I'm town and your vote should be removed. Similar to how you are begging MD to remove your vote. 940 is me suggesting Egg is scum. You can still be his partner trying to get MD or Grim to vote me for the win. I'm not applying that I think you're town in any of those posts.

5.

Hydra heads have different views. Why are you now forgetting this? HD thinks I'm scum, but Mara thinks I'm town (at least they did last day period, but judging by Mara posts she still thinks I could be town and we haven't heard from HD yet)

Why are you so "tunneled" on about what I think of you? You are currently panicking.

[Malakittens]

They are trying to quick lynch.

[Malakittens]

VOTE: Wisdom

[Malakittens]

Mara's not going to be happy. I tricked her.

I also stayed up for your timezone Grim. I'm glad you came when you did. I was starting to get a bit sleepy. I had well timing with my League game ending when it did.

[Malakittens]

Also gg guys.

Now we wait for Jason.

[Malakittens]

I also stayed up for your timezone Grim. I'm glad you came when you did. I was starting to get a bit sleepy. I had well timing with my League game ending when it did.

That's some commitment right there! I feared I missed you by thirty minutes

We weren't just lucky? >.>

our topic: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/YB4MtwwMEtXKJ

[Malakittens]

Hey I wasn't going to kill Night 1 nor RB, but Grim convinced me otherwise. Worked out for us because we had two people to chose from for the watcher and Grim was right about Swords. I was unpresent for the last night >.>

[Malakittens]

She's messing around.

He died in the hydra. I think he may have abandoned her

[Malakittens]

We were going to no kill. I was going to no kill. If the watcher watched that's a wasted shot.