Mini 1452 - Inevitable Mafia (Game Over)

[ThAdmiral]

unless rofl is a doc or a blocker of some kind it calls radiantcowbells claim in to question.
Then again, surely town doesn't only have a pair of masons.

[DCLXVI]

Was there a point to that last post...cause you basically answered your own question.

[nhammen]

Busy for the next 24 hours. Still waiting on rofl (or replacement) it looks like. If he claims VT, it looks very likely that both PR claims are town. This brings me to something I thought of earlier. If we are willing to assume Radiant is town, then it is optimal for him to wait until D4 to claim results from his other two abilities (unless he investigates and gets a guilty tonight). But only if that assumption holds.

[Yates]

If we are willing to assume Radiant is town, then it is optimal for him to wait until D4 to claim results from his other two abilities

Why? What makes you think he'd even be alive D4?

[gorckat]

I am VT.

[on the off chance there is a LD role]

This raised some hackles for me earlier because a Lie Detector is not normal, but I dismissed it as a possibility for that one nugget of weird a mod is allowed, but the claimed Commute shot would already be that one nugget.

Yates- have you played with a Lie Detector before?

[RadiantCowbells]

Why? What makes you think he'd even be alive D4?/quote]

Because if I don't say when I'm doing what, scum targeting me would have a 50% chance of hitting me while I'm commuting, thus wasting their night kill.

This is something they'd be very unlikely to do.

If we are willing to assume Radiant is town, then it is optimal for him to wait until D4 to claim results from his other two abilities

As I already said, to CoolDog's immense chagrin.

Especially because the chance of me being NKed just skyrocketed after the mass claim.

[Yates]

Yates- have you played with a Lie Detector before?

Yes. More than once.

The two that really stick out in my mind are:
You Could be Anyone - where we got the LD lynched in LYLO and How Two and a Half Friends Banged Your Mother where Nero lied about being a LD as VT to get me mislynched as a VT.

[BROseidon]

@DCXLVI: Who do you think the scum on the letters wagon were, if any?

[Yates]

On my wagon, Rob and TMT have both flipped VT, and RC is likely town given the lack of any other PR claims.

As much as I want to OMGUS CoolDoG and vote him, I have to agree with hoopla that his very annoying tunneling on me is more likely to come from town.

That leaves Gork and/or ThAd as scum on my wagon. I'm definitely less certain of my town read on Gorc.

I still think gork has a decent chance of being town so...

vote:The Admiral

If you are taking the counter-wagon approach; why ThAd over Gorck? Wouldn't Gorck earn more scum points than ThAd simply by being on both wagons? Or is there more to your ThAd-Scum/Gorck-Town read than you are telling us?

[roflcopter]

hey, sorry for my absence. life is complicated.

vote: yates

i'm a vt

[roflcopter]

dcl why do you have hoopla as a townread?

[RadiantCowbells]

The lack of PR claims convinces me that scum are hiding in the VTs.

This makes me believe that the masons are legit.

Hoopla may or may not be the other mason, and because of that, DCL should say nothing further unless he can make a strong argument without relying on being/not being mason. Don't narrow down the pool for the second mason.

[jmo16mla]

Yeah, I just modded a game with masons. It's best the claimed mason not make any cases. At most, one.

[roflcopter]

this is why i just want to know who the second mason is, because i'm tired of everyone saying we shouldn't attack scummy people cause they might be the mason. if hoopla is the mason then telling me not to lynch yates yesterday because *he* might be the mason was ass backwards retarded.

[RadiantCowbells]

I really like this Yates lynch, to the extent I'm willing to out the second mason over it.

DCL, please give the word as to whether Yates is your partner.

[jmo16mla]

Radiat, just shut the hell up will you? You're ideas contradict themselves.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, they don't at all.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't want him to make any comments on anyone in this game except yates: answer whether he is the mason partner or not.

GTFO Jmo.

[DCLXVI]

and what did I tell you guys. We wouldn't know if RC is confirmed or not because he told us his kill. Woopdie di da day. Fuck you guys for not listening to me.
vote: dcl
Should have done it yesterday, will do it today. This vote will not move.

How does that crow taste?

........................

There are two circumstances in which I will name my partner.

1. My partner gets to L-1.
2. It is the day before lylo.

[jmo16mla]

You just asked him not to scum hunt much so he doesnt reveal his mason partner. then you just asked him if yates was his partner.

YOURE STILL NARROWING DOWN WHO IS HIS PARTNER YOU IDIOT.

[DCLXVI]

Don't narrow down the pool for the second mason.

I really like this Yates lynch, to the extent I'm willing to out the second mason over it.

DCL, please give the word as to whether Yates is your partner.

These posts happened within 11 minutes of each other. RC, I glad you are basically confirmed town because with all your contradictions you would be lynched by now otherwise.

[BROseidon]

DCL should make cases on people on his wagon. Also, he should mention if we are about to lynch his mason buddy.

I'm still fine with the Yates lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

Are you literally retarded?

Hoopla may or may not be the other mason, and because of that, DCL should say nothing further unless he can make a strong argument without relying on being/not being mason. Don't narrow down the pool for the second mason.

was in response to

dcl why do you have hoopla as a townread?

IE DON'T ANSWER ROFLCOPTOR'S QUESTION.


If you're going to be a fucking doorknob and say nothing about Yates then fine, doesn't change strategy for today. But stop being a fucktard and acting like it's my fault for acting scummy.

I mean fuck. If you lynch town, it's every bit as much your fault for being an ignorant twat as it is theirs for looking scummy. Just because you guys all jerk each other off about it doesn't mean you didn't fuck up and maybe instead of being HURDUR YOU'RE A SHITHEAD BECAUSE I VOTED YOU BECAUSE YOU DONT CONFORM TO HOW I PLAY THE GAME you can take a big step back and actually fucking THINK hey maybe I could do something differently

[jmo16mla]

I mean, whats wrong with jerking each other off?

Also, you realize this is a game?

[nhammen]

If we are willing to assume Radiant is town, then it is optimal for him to wait until D4 to claim results from his other two abilities

Why? What makes you think he'd even be alive D4?

I just realized that my earlier post said we would need to assume Radiant is town for this to be optimal, but we actually would need to assume he is town and not lying.
There are 3 possibilities for non-fakeclaiming-Radiant:
1) Radiant investigates N2 and gets a guilty
2) Radiant investigates N2 and gets an innocent
3) Radiant commutes N2 and investigates N3

For 1, Radiant would claim immediately (he better!)

For 2, there are 3 options for D3:
a) no claim
b) claim innocent but not who was investigated
c) fully claim innocent
For (b) and (c), scum know that Radiant will commute N3, and will not kill him. In fact, (c) gives scum a perfect target to kill. Thus, (b) is strictly better than (c). The difference between (a) and (b) is that in (b) scum know that Radiant will commute on N3, but scum have no knowledge for (a). This means that the only difference is that in (a), scum have a chance to hit a commuting Radiant and get no kill. Thus (a) is strictly better than (b).

For 3, there are 2 options for D3:
claim the commute or not
If Radiant claims a commute on D3, then scum know that he can be killed N3, and will kill him to remove a power role and prevent his investigation from going off.
If Radiant does not claim a commute on D3, then scum are left in the dark and might choose not to target him because they don't know if this is case 2 or 3. Thus, no claim is strictly better than claiming a commute.

Thus, in both case 2 and 3, no claim is the best option. Does anybody disagree with my logic?

I don't want him to make any comments on anyone in this game except yates: answer whether he is the mason partner or not.

GTFO Jmo.

And rofl didn't want him to make any comments on anyone other than Hoopla. And he didn't even need these comments to be mason related. RC face it, you were doing pretty much the same thing you didn't like rofl doing. DCL will tell us if Yates is the second mason only if Yates hits L-1. It is suboptimal to do so earlier.