Mini 1452 - Inevitable Mafia (Game Over)

[DCLXVI]

@mod

Just a quick heads up. I'm going to be LA (limited access) from June 8-June 15 as i am going to be on a vacation. I should have internet access so I will be able to occasionally post from my phone.

[Yates]

Radiant [assuming Town] could claim commute and lie as well, which could potentially draw scum into wasting a shot. Which I think would be a great play.

Also, even at L-1 I wouldn't claim mason. What would be the point? Death of mason 2 confirms mason 1. Otherwise there's always the specter of two scum fake claiming masons.

[Yates]

this is why i just want to know who the second mason is, because i'm tired of everyone saying we shouldn't attack scummy people cause they might be the mason. if hoopla is the mason then telling me not to lynch yates yesterday because *he* might be the mason was ass backwards retarded.

Have you made a case on me yet? Or are you just going to sit there and try to draw out the second mason?

VOTE: roflcopter

[Yates]

These are the two major wagons on town that happened day 1. There is scum in there.

Speaking of scum off the wagon, you'll notice rolfcopter isn't on either wagon. Nor mentioned in your post.

[DCLXVI]

Also, even at L-1 I wouldn't claim mason. What would be the point? Death of mason 2 confirms mason 1. Otherwise there's always the specter of two scum fake claiming masons.

That is a really stupid idea. I'll let you figure it out why on your own though.

Pedit, I was only looking at scum on the wagon, I don't see how that last post is relevant at all.

[Yates]

Pedit, I was only looking at scum on the wagon, I don't see how that last post is relevant at all.

Well, you are voting for ThAd. ThAd was off the wagon. You were deciding between ThAd and Gorck. They were both off the wagon [though Gorck was also on the wagon]. So I guess you can see my confusion.

[Yates]

That is a really stupid idea. I'll let you figure it out why on your own though.

I disagree. I'll let you figure out why on your own, though.

[DCLXVI]

@Yates.

1. Thad was on my wagon.
2. Do you really, honestly think that town only has a JOAT?

[Yates]

1. Thad was on my wagon.

Right. Then switched to CoolDog. Therefore, ThAd was on the COUNTERWAGON to the lynch. IE, he was off the lynch wagon.

2. Do you really, honestly think that town only has a JOAT?

What's giving you the impression that I think that?

[DCLXVI]

DCLXVI - TMTOLBTWNTOF, gorckat, Rob13, CooLDoG, RadiantCowbells, The Admiral

@Yates, these are the 6 players that brought me to L-1. My wagon. I believe there is scum there, and yes, thAd was one of the people on it.

What's giving you the impression that I think that?

Your willingness to let a mason die.

Also, even at L-1 I wouldn't claim mason. What would be the point? Death of mason 2 confirms mason 1.

Otherwise there's always the specter of two scum fake claiming masons.

And the fact that you uh, seem ok with letting a mason die, that kind of implies you don't really believe that there are masons cause I have a hard time seeing how you would want to just lynch someone you would think could be nearly confirmed as town.

[Yates]

My wagon. I believe there is scum there, and yes, thAd was one of the people on it.

I understand. My point is that at the end of the day, letters was the one lynched. So there is likely scum there as well. Gorckat's name appears on both of those lists. That's why I asked you why you would choose ThAd over Gorckat.

that kind of implies you don't really believe that there are masons

Ok, I see why you would think that. I'm on the record as saying I believe the mason claim. There are others who do [or did] not share this opinion. My concern is scum claiming the mason claims are part of a scum gambit to get one mislynched then nk the other that same night. So I guess the point is moot other than the fact you can recover from that more easily on Day 2 than you can say Day 4.

[DCLXVI]

I'm interested in TheAd over gork because I still have a slight townread on gork, also being on both lists isn't a huge factor.

@Yates, if you believe the mason claim, why the frick are you ok with lynching a mason? That does not make any sense.

[Kitoari]

Votecount #9:
Yates - RadiantCowbells, Broseidon, roflcopter,
DCLXVI - CooLDoG
ThAdmiral - DCLXVI
roflcopter - Yates,

Not voting - ThAdmiral, nhammen, jmo16mla, Hoopla, gorckat

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to throw somebody off a cliff.

Deadline is June 15th.

[Yates]

That does not make any sense.

I just said what *I* would do.

More importantly, what gives you a Town read on Gorck?

[Yates]

BTW:

if you believe the mason claim

In case you are wondering if I believed the mason claim, that's why I lynched TMT.

[DCLXVI]

Well why would you do that (that being lynch a mason) if you believe that the masons claims are true?

As for gork, his stuff at the beginning of day one. Its rather minor, but enough to tip the scale between him and ThAd.

[DCLXVI]

Why can't the mason partner claim if DCL gets to L-1 or L-1 with declared intent to hammer?

Also, if the mason partner gets run up, it's incumbent upon them to claim at that point

and have DCL confirm.

Also, even at L-1 I wouldn't claim mason. What would be the point? Death of mason 2 confirms mason 1.

Otherwise

there's always the specter of two scum fake claiming masons

.

I'm on the record as saying I believe the mason claim.

There are others who do [or did] not share this opinion.

My concern is scum claiming the mason claims are part of a scum gambit to get one mislynched then nk the other that same night.

So I guess the point is moot other than the fact you can recover from that more easily on Day 2 than you can say Day 4.

There is a lot of contradictory shit going on here.

@yates, if you believe my claim, which you say you do. why the heck do you post that "even at L-1 I wouldn't claim mason. What would be the point" The point? um, maybe avoiding a mislynch would be the point of having the other mason claim if they are brought to L-1. Or is that not good enough of a reason for a mason to claim.

[Yates]

There is a lot of contradictory shit going on here.

I answered this in 588. There is enough in that response and my claim that thinking for a minute should tell you all you need to know. And now you need to drop it.

[DCLXVI]

@mod please prod cooldog

[ThAdmiral]

Was there a point to that last post...cause you basically answered your own question.

Yeah. Just musing I guess.

Lets put it this way: if rofl claims pr, radiantbells looks worse. If rofl claims vt, radiantbells is basically confirmed.

edit: and rofl claims vt.

I can't really argue with you about your wagon based poe as well, since its how I like to scumhunt often. Obviously we will come to different conclusions, since I know I am town. Looking at the wagon:

dcl:

tmt

,

radiant

,

thad

, gorck,

rob

, cooldog

was the first -1 wagon

then after I got off after the claim radiant jumped back on and it looked like:

dcl:

tmt

, gorck,

rob

, cooldog,

radiant

Furthermore the lynch wagon on tmt was:

tmt: broseidon, jmo, yates, hoopla,

dcl

, gorckat,

rob

The last one is harder to read, but it seems pretty clear to me that there is scum among gorckat and cooldog, and at least one in bro/jmo/yates/hoop.

vote: cooldog

why is he suddenly getting a free pass?

[BROseidon]

I personally doubt scum would be so bold as to push a claimed mason wagon that aggressively. Would rather lynch Yates at this point. Maybe look at CoolDoG in a few days if we are still flipping townies.

[nhammen]

There is a lot of contradictory shit going on here.

I answered this in 588. There is enough in that response and my claim that thinking for a minute should tell you all you need to know. And now you need to drop it.

I'm not seeing what you are talking about, even after you say that it is in 588.

I personally doubt scum would be so bold as to push a claimed mason wagon that aggressively. Would rather lynch Yates at this point. Maybe look at CoolDoG in a few days if we are still flipping townies.

I think that both CooLDoG and Yates look scummy. However, it seems to me that your argument for not lynching CooLDoG is equivalent to "too scummy to be scum". But even so, at this point I have Yates as slightly scummier than CooLDoG, so
VOTE: Yates

[nhammen]

Votecount #9:
Yates - RadiantCowbells, Broseidon
DCLXVI - CooLDoG
ThAdmiral - DCLXVI
roflcopter - Yates,

Not voting - ThAdmiral, roflcopter, nhammen, jmo16mla, Hoopla, gorckat

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to throw somebody off a cliff.

Deadline is June 15th.

Mod: rofl voted Yates in 559

unless that didn't count since it was bold rather than using the vote tag.

[Kitoari]

post

Noted.

Votecount #10:
Yates - RadiantCowbells, Broseidon, roflcopter, nhammen,
DCLXVI - CooLDoG
ThAdmiral - DCLXVI
roflcopter - Yates,
CooLDoG - ThAdmiral,

Not voting - jmo16mla, Hoopla, gorckat

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to throw somebody off a cliff.

Deadline is June 15th.

[jmo16mla]

I got poked. bah.