NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Nero Cain]

You rather me vote for you over other scum read in Haylen. Why?

[Nachomamma8]

The Haylen scumread which I never had?

[ffullisade]

Why? He's prob town 'cause scumcho was voting for him.

It's things like this which make me scumread you.
You don't have a scumread on me that's strong enough for you to vote me.
But it is strong enough to declare other people town when I vote them.

Bahzinga

this is the towniest that you have sounded all game.

but I like nero's vote cos the only player that rena asked about with her entrance was me specifically and yet she did nothing with that what you gave her which tbh, was not much, you actually tried with thor.

speaking of thor holy hell

[Nero Cain]

Bahzinga

this is the towniest that you have sounded all game.

no, that's a scum claim from Nacho.

I vote scumHaylen in 3385.

Nacho votes me 'cause we are "Both are generally solid votes." + it means that his "scum read" on Thad wasn't very strong and likely made up 'cause there was no reason to switch.

He then says "You don't have a scumread on me that's strong enough for you to vote me."

Which is totally untrue 'cause day 1 was voting him and day 2 Thez was outted scum so meh.

I then tell him that I'm voting another scum read.

The Haylen scumread which I never had?

This quote has absolutely nothing to do with anything and isn't a valid response. + it contradicts 3388. Why would he call Rena a solid vote if he didn't have a scum read?

[Nachomamma8]

This quote has absolutely nothing to do with anything and isn't a valid response. + it contradicts 3388. Why would he call Rena a solid vote if he didn't have a scum read?

By both are solid votes, I meant you and ThAd.

You rather me vote for you over other scum read in Haylen. Why?

You're acting like the one on me is stronger, so I wonder why you're voting her over me.

[Nachomamma8]

I suspect ThAd because this is the closest his slot has done to doing anything:

Actually I'm going to claim now, because it could potentially put things in to an interesting light.
I am also in a neighbourhood with one other member. I'm not going to claim them yet, in case they don't want to be revealed. CTD's stance about their being two scum/town neighborhoods, one for each scumteam, did pique my interest. I've seen the like before, although in this case I think my neighbour is town. Would it make sense for two separate random neighbourhoods though, containing entirely town?

And it's horrible. The fact that he keeps the person who shares the neighborhood with him secret in case they "want to keep it secret" feels like he's trying to exacerbate the CTD/Slandaar situation so CTD makes a stronger push on Slandaar still. DEsperado's neighbor claim afterwards feels more natural with the "I'm a neighbor too!" without any of the added bullshit this claim has.

I did start to question my neighbor's alignment. Let me put it this way - I tend to think they are town based on what they have said in this game and in the neighborhood thread, but on a game theory basis if there were 2 neighborhoods it would stand to reason that they were both infiltrated by scum.

Now that we know there are three once again it is likely that 2 of them have been infiltrated by scum. I think we are agreeing on the main points here. I actually think all the neighbours should claim so it is all out in the open, especially since we have mostly claimed anyway. I'm not claiming my partner because, I don't know, I guess its sort of rude to do it rather than let them claim themselves?

fuck it. It's peregrine.

And the fact that the only reason he didn't want to claim his neighbor is because it seems rude is a bit irrational and doesn't really work from his mindset. If he's looking to catch all of the scum from the neighborhoods, why isn't he open about throwing his partner out into the wild with him in order to be judged with the rest of the town? THAT reluctance seems like he's not willing to draw Peregrine's ire at all, which makes a lot more sense than "oh I was just trying to be polite".

[Slandaar]

VOTE: AK

[Kublai Khan]

Okay, I want to hear Nero Cain's Haylen/Rena case. Is it more than just "no scumhunting"?

Also:

@moderator: If Haylen is going to post as Rena, can we officially change the VCs to read Rena instead of Haylen?

<<< Her choice. I'll ask. >>>

[ThAdmiral]

And the fact that the only reason he didn't want to claim his neighbor is because it seems rude is a bit irrational and doesn't really work from his mindset. If he's looking to catch all of the scum from the neighborhoods, why isn't he open about throwing his partner out into the wild with him in order to be judged with the rest of the town? THAT reluctance seems like he's not willing to draw Peregrine's ire at all, which makes a lot more sense than "oh I was just trying to be polite".

I guess I'm just more polite than you give me credit for.

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What's clear about yesterdays lynch is that thezmon was going down, and it was obvious that he was going down. The smart play would be to bus, and I think there is a very high chance that happened here. To add to this I believe that mafia are more likely to self-hammer if their own members are voting them already (I don't actually have any proof to back this up, but it's a hypothesis that I think would be interesting to explore - maybe I'll do that some time). Apart from that it would also make sense for any opposing team scum, assuming there is one, to get on - not only do they get "townpoints" for lynching scum, they also are able to push through an easy lynch.

As such here is the final thezmon wagon:

thezmon221 - 11 (Bacde, Desperado, Kublai Khan, Nero Cain, EddieFenix, Nachomamma8, Cephrir, ThAdmiral, Slandaar, Seanald, thezmon221)

From the list I can take myself off, as well as thezmon and eddie fenix.

That leaves:
Bacde
Desperado
KK
Nero
Nacho
Cephrir
Slandaar
Seanald

First off the list is Bacde. He is pretty clearly not bluescum, and while he could be redscum he has certainly earned a reprieve.

Desperado was someone who I was willing to lynch day one as I think he was the bets option out of the main wagons. I'd still be pretty happy to lynch him, but there are probably others I would lynch first.

Nero - Normally I have a read on nero one way or the other, but I don't really have strong feelings about him in this game. I mean most of his posts are quite short, which I guess is not that normal for him, but I don't necessarily think that is a scumtell. Having a look at his iso and there are a few things I noticed. In 467 he says: "RYU defending OS hard here...". To me that doesn't feel like something you'd say about a scumpartner. He also further argues with red ryu about stuff - I mean it could have been distancing, but I don't think it is. Yeah, he can get a pass for now.

Slandaar I actually think is town. I don't see the sense in a scum plan to tunnel town-thor almost the entire game, unless he thought he might have been opposing team scum. He was also one of the first people to push for a thez lynch day one, so he gets some points for that.

KK looks pretty bad to me. He voted red ryu earlier in day one without much explanation, and didn't really push it all that much, which could easily be distancing. He then is very happy to move over to oversoul, which he does push through to lynch. Day 2 he was reluctant to get on the thezmon wagon, debating it with Bacde for a number of posts. That being said he was one of the first to actually vote thezmon, but I still think this could be a bus vote.

Fuck it, I'll do nacho, ceph and seanald later. So much reading required!

I will just note, however, that the people who got off the thez wagon get townpoints for me. I don't see much point in trying to get off a wagon of a scumbuddy that is almost certainly going down. Therefore fullisade, amethyst and crashtextdummy get points.

[Bacde]

Why? He's prob town 'cause scumcho was voting for him.

It's things like this which make me scumread you.
You don't have a scumread on me that's strong enough for you to vote me.
But it is strong enough to declare other people town when I vote them.

Bahzinga

this is the towniest that you have sounded all game.

but I like nero's vote cos the only player that rena asked about with her entrance was me specifically and yet she did nothing with that what you gave her which tbh, was not much, you actually tried with thor.

speaking of thor holy hell

oh my god you are scratching and clawing to find reasons to call nacho town

look, I want him to be town too

but he's not

[Bacde]

Desperado was someone who I was willing to lynch day one as I think he was the bets option out of the main wagons. I'd still be pretty happy to lynch him, but there are probably others I would lynch first.

I will just note, however, that the people who got off the thez wagon get townpoints for me. I don't see much point in trying to get off a wagon of a scumbuddy that is almost certainly going down. Therefore fullisade, amethyst and crashtextdummy get points.

Please tell me more about how you're bullshitting everything

[Bacde]

no idea why that post says nachomamma8, it was from thAd

[Bacde]

Vote: Bacde

Wanna hear Nachomamma8's ThAdmiral case first though.

lol alright

[Slandaar]

Your analysis is wrong ThAd;
Its not townpoints they should get but nonblue points.

You may think 'why would they move off a wagon not on their buddy as redscum?' there are many reasons mainly though you just need to realise redscum were hunting bluescum so if they were redscum who decided thez wasn't bluescum they would move off the wagon unless one of their buddies was in some kind of danger (not the case thez's days were numbered) afterall if they think thez is town they don't want to be part of what they think is a mislynch.

I do completely agree those who moved off are not bluescum though.

[Bacde]

Why? He's prob town 'cause scumcho was voting for him.

It's things like this which make me scumread you.
You don't have a scumread on me that's strong enough for you to vote me.
But it is strong enough to declare other people town when I vote them.

I asked nacho why he scumread nero

and he couldn't answer with an example until AFTER I asked

Was he looking for WHY nero was scum BEFORE I asked? Nope

Is nero easy to push on because he's not very charismatic? Yup

thAd and Nacho are probably different teams, since nacho is blue

I'm willing to lynch thAd today but nacho is going to be impossible to lynch and win this game for blue unless you idiots lynch him

[Bacde]

Your analysis is wrong ThAd;
Its not townpoints they should get but nonblue points.

You may think 'why would they move off a wagon not on their buddy as redscum?' there are many reasons mainly though you just need to realise redscum were hunting bluescum so if they were redscum who decided thez wasn't bluescum they would move off the wagon unless one of their buddies was in some kind of danger (not the case thez's days were numbered) afterall if they think thez is town they don't want to be part of what they think is a mislynch.

I do completely agree those who moved off are not bluescum though.

Yes, thAd is smart enough to know this

He even mentioned that I get "notblue" points, but could be red

why is it then that the others who unvoted the wagon get townpoints instead of "notblue" points?

Oh, its because he's bullshitting

[Kublai Khan]

KK looks pretty bad to me. He voted red ryu earlier in day one without much explanation, and didn't really push it all that much, which could easily be distancing. He then is very happy to move over to oversoul, which he does push through to lynch. Day 2 he was reluctant to get on the thezmon wagon, debating it with Bacde for a number of posts. That being said he was one of the first to actually vote thezmon, but I still think this could be a bus vote.

I'm a forceful player. I could have easily killed the thezmon221 lynch if I wanted to. Instead I gave it life.

Are you suggesting that I'm bluescum because I voted-bussed one partner (Red Ryu), then power bussed another? For town-cred? In a likely multiball setup?

Either tell me this is what you're saying or get a grip and read this game. A lazy ThAdmiral is a scum ThAdmiral.

P.edit: Oh, others said basically the same idea.

[Desperado]

I'm a forceful player. I could have easily killed the thezmon221 lynch if I wanted to. Instead I gave it life.

I doubt that.

Vote: ThAdmiral

[Kublai Khan]

Pfft.

Hey, where'd ThAdmiral go?

[PeregrineV]

Didn't see that before, but re:3229, yes, I'm ThAd's neighbor. He's town.

[Desperado]

Didn't see that before, but re:3229, yes, I'm ThAd's neighbor. He's town.

Something in your QT that we don't know about?

[PeregrineV]

Didn't see that before, but re:3229, yes, I'm ThAd's neighbor. He's town.

Something in your QT that we don't know about?

Yeah. The people we replaced had pretty much confirmed it before we even got there. I agree with them, so here we are.

[Desperado]

You're going to have to be more specific. DLG and ActionDan had confirmed themselves as town before the game had even started?

[Desperado]

I wonder what the mafia to town ratio is?

D1 is not my day. I read mosy everyone as null. anyone can play to appear town. which is why we even have town reads. The lynch and reasoning behind it is all that will stand out to me.

@Thezmon

Your reasonless list is nothing but filler. To paraphrase you, you said "Hey im here and im doing stuff, Im not done yet so it looks like im not doing anything".

Im bringing this to light because I see it as fluff and everyone else should too.

I dont know why your fluffy. But I dont care for it. Your life no linger matters to me. Plz fix that.

Also, Thad is scum because Hanzo is scum for ^^^this and ActionDan was scum for his reaction to the pre-day 1 stuff.

[mastin2]

Since it was asked of me--I'll be trying to fill in the gaps my VCs have had, and when I have done so, I will edit this post to announce all the changes I have made. However, it will have to wait for a short while.

First Round of Edits:

There are vote histories on Page 96 now.
There are vote histories in votecount 50 now.
There are vote histories in votecount 51 now.
There are vote histories in votecount 52 now.
There are vote histories on the top of page 113 now.
There are vote histories in this votecount, and the voting history for D1 does not change after that.

Additionally, this post has been edited to show mod-edited votecounts which were not present before today.