Mini 1454 - GAME OVER

[JuanJuan]

Fuck. Got way too inactive D2, sorry.

The Aj flip makes sense to me, I didn't see him as particularly buddying anyone, though it doesn't give too many hints for where we should be going with this. We don't know for sure either way whether Fuzzy blocked Scum or SK kill N1, as Rob explained, the flavor is just flavor.

I don't like how Kthx was CERTAIN that an NS lynch had to happen yesterday, until his 'accidental' hammer of Aj. Now today he's off his failed NS push and is pushing bubba. I understand the push on NS given his general posting so far, and even the push on bubba is logical, but I don't think his play yesterday particularly helped town [I know, i'm one to talk]. I'm still not convinced on Jon either, and at the time of the lynch yesterday (before Kthx hopped and hammered) it was jon and kthx on NS.

VOTE: Kthx

[bubbajack8]

Oh.

Hmm....

HMMMMMMMM

That's valid.

Bubba, why did you say that about lynching doc?

It was a previous game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=27795

We lynched fuzzy, the doc D1.

[bubbajack8]

I thought it was fuzzy and Amrun, although it could be Amrun and you, or Amrun and notscience.

But I still think you are scum. And hell my 100% can't be that bad..

And THIS is why I'm voting bubba....

We lynched a SK... That means scum were totally fine with killing him as they didn't know he wasn't town. That means bubba's reverse in his read of Amrun is completely out of left field

I'm not talking about the lynch. I'm talking about the kill. The lynch was good for town, and mafia. So guess what, NO HELP THERE.... Yeah.

Almost only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades.

^yet another reason NS is most certainly not off my scum list

on the flip side, if I was ever doubtful about Amrun, I'm not any longer.

Well isn't that convenient. Now you don't doubt Amrun. That would have been nice yesterday when I thought he was scum.

[marcmann2]

The list of people who did not vote for HP or did not vote for AJ are GIF, notscience, jon, Amrun, bubba, and Juan. I have to believe that there's at least 1 scum in there.

Bubba insisting that AJ was town and bubba's posturing about who to go after when AJ flips town stands out most yesterday.

Vote bubba

[notscience]

Wrong, I'm almost positive I voted for both. Can you quote the final votecounts for me?

VOTE: bubba

Look at that post, he thought he was putting him at L-1. You're stretching for a vote reason. Your 360 on the Amrun read is a big issue as well.

Bubba, Kthx thinks Amrun is town from the look of it.

[Kthxbye]

Bubba: I'm voting you because the lynch tells us little info yet you completely flipped you read on amrun. You claim you thought it was amrun based on thinking fuzzy was scum yet I don't see where you used that reasoning yesterday. Basically, just because fuzzy was town shouldnt be making you flip your scum read when your were calling amrun scum all day yesterday not because you thought fuzzy was scum and you were looking for fuzzy partners, but because you thought amrun was scum and you thought fuzzy might be his partner.

Your complete turn around on amrun makes no sense as paranoid town with the info that is available.

As for not doubting amrun, it's that I don't doubt he's town...

[Kthxbye]

Oooh....we have a race between me and bubba. 3 votes each. I like how 2 of the people of the 4 I suggested we look into today are on my wagon already. Could be coincidence.....

[notscience]

There is no such thing as coincidence.

[bubbajack8]

I'm not talking about the FUCKING LYNCH. I'm talking about the kill. THE KILL Re-wired. And my 360 isn't a fucking 360 like you dinkledorfs act like it is. I had to re think because I thought it was Amrun and Fuzzy. God Damn. I said it still could be KTB and Amrun, NS and Amrun, etc.

Who thought who was putting who at L-1? I believe I was the first to vote KTB...

Could see KTB and not now.

"but because you thought amrun was scum and you thought fuzzy might be his partner."

Yes I thought Amrun was scum and fuzzy was his partner. Fuzzy flipped town. Guess what fucks me up.

Same happened when I thought HP and you were scum KTB. Why's it so bad I "360d" now? Why didn't you care then? HMMMM?

THATS FUCKING RIGHT YOU SCUM. YOU ARE SETTING ME THE FUCK UP.

[notscience]

Kthx thought he was putting AJ at L-1. Look at the post. You have no reason to constitute anything.

You're basis of "teams" come from people pointing out the flaws in your cases against other people.

So essentially, "OMG HES NOT ACCEPTING MY REASONING WHY HE IS SCUM HE MUST BE SCUM OMGGGGGGGGGGG"

[marcmann2]

Vote Count #1.23:

HookerPunch:

fuzzybutternut, bubbajack8, kthxbye, marcmann2, jon_h61, Aj The Epic, Nobody Special

(7 - LYNCH)

JuanJuan:

Hoopla (1)

jon_h61:

notscience (1)

notscience:

AngelInFreezer (1)

Aj The Epic:

Amrun (1)

Not Voting:

HookerPunch, JuanJuan

With 13 alive, it takes 7 players to reach a lynch.

V/LA:

Hoopla until 6/1.
Bubbajack until 6/4.

Deadline:

(expired on 2013-06-10 22:45:00)

Vote Count #2.8:

Aj The Epic:

Amrun, marcmann2, notscience, fuzzybutternut, Nobody Special, kthxbye (6)

notscience:

GuyInFreezer, Aj The Epic (2)

Nobody Special:

jon_h61 (1)

kthxbye:

bubbajack8 (1)

Not Voting:

JuanJuan

With 11 alive, it takes 6 players to reach a lynch.

V/LA:

None

Deadline:

(expired on 2013-06-18 11:00:00)

[bubbajack8]

Kthx thought he was putting AJ at L-1. Look at the post. You have no reason to constitute anything.

You're basis of "teams" come from people pointing out the flaws in your cases against other people.

So essentially, "OMG HES NOT ACCEPTING MY REASONING WHY HE IS SCUM HE MUST BE SCUM OMGGGGGGGGGGG"

Hey not there really is something called pre-edits. They pop up telling people things have been posted. His hammer was purposeful.

D2 I was voting who now?

Hey marc you realize that scum wants to get rid of SK right? As scum why wouldn't I want to lynch the SK? Hmm?

[notscience]

Again, the basis of your argument is that he SAW the pre-edit. He might not have seen that prior vote until after he placed his. The fact you're keying in on that fact is scummy. You're trying to push him as scum for hammering someone that the town needed gone.

And stop taking it into WIFOM.

[bubbajack8]

Town members should read P-edits. Is that a problem. As town you want to see what everyone has said.

I'm asking legitament questions. I'm not WIFOM. Is it true that Maf wants SK gone as much as town?

What do I get out of staying off the AJ wagon as town / mafia? Hm? Especially when as maf I'd know he's not maf, and as town, i'd be hoping to lynch mafia.

I buddied AJ the Sk. Wow. I guess I'm his SK buddy, I really don't see what argument Marc is attempting to make.

[marcmann2]

Bubba, tell me how scum would know who the SK is? That's why I'm treating yesterday as a townie lynch for vote analysis.

Assuming 2 mafia members, I think that both lynches had 1 mafia with the other staying off. So I think out of notscience, bubba, jon, Amrun, GIF, and Juan there is at least 1 scum. I think that Amrun is town so that leaves at least a 1 in 5 chance of hitting scum.

As I said before, Bubba's posturing stands out most to me from yesterday. He was setting up to say "told you so" today.

[bubbajack8]

Bubba, tell me how scum would know who the SK is? That's why I'm treating yesterday as a townie lynch for vote analysis.

They wouldn't but maybe they thought he was a PR. I'm just saying it's a equal lynch.

Also I've played with AJ when he was a SK type role. I should've been able to spot it.

Assuming 2 mafia members, I think that both lynches had 1 mafia with the other staying off. So I think out of notscience, bubba, jon, Amrun, GIF, and Juan there is at least 1 scum. I think that Amrun is town so that leaves at least a 1 in 5 chance of hitting scum.

What about KTB?

As I said before, Bubba's posturing stands out most to me from yesterday. He was setting up to say "told you so" today.

Setting up told you so when he flipped town. I THOUGHT HE WAS TOWN. I wasn't setting up a scum lynch told you so. -_- your arguments are bad. Good Lawd. But at least you are posting more.

[notscience]

again, if it was already in the thread but up enough that he didn't see it, or he wasn't on the page and it was posted BEFORE the comment, he would't have seen it.

Also, marc, I was on both votes.

[marcmann2]

I posted the count. You weren't part of the D1 lynch.

[Amrun]

Marc, explain your logic. Maybe scum had at least one member offnodneach lynch, but how likely is it that it was the same member, even so? Extremely arbitrary. Poor basis for vote.

[marcmann2]

I explained myself already. And I never said same member off each lynch.

[Amrun]

Oh, I misread. Well... I read it properly, but I misunderstood your intent. It's still pretty arbitrary. How do you feel about NS today? Why is bubba's posturing about AJ related to his alignment?

[notscience]

Ah, I thought I had moved my vote back. You're right, fair enough.

Still think Bubba's scum.

[bubbajack8]

Why?

[notscience]

You're trying to push a vote on someone for accidentally hammering the SK. You're attacking people who point out the flaws in your logic.

[Nobody Special]

again, if it was already in the thread

but up enough that he didn't see it,

or he wasn't on the page and it was posted BEFORE the comment, he would't have seen it.

Also, marc, I was on both votes.

My L-1 vote was

two posts

above his "accidental" hammer. (Granted, I didn't mention it was L-1, but The Careful Townie always checks that prior to voting.)

I will be voting KTB once I see an updated VC.