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Post Post #3675 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:45 pm

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In post 724, kuror0 wrote:Huh so I'm not a N1 PR. There are already 3 N1 PR. If anyone is fake claiming it is more likely to be the first ones, so ye Remember is most likely town.

There are 8 people(counting myself) who already claimed if they were or not N1 PR, we have 2 inactives, which leaves 3 people missing to claim if i am counting right. Please correct me if needed.
Quick to give Remember town pts for being the 3rd N1 PR to claim.

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Not Voting: buldermar

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Deadline is on Sunday, June 16th at 8:00 PM EST.
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Post Post #3676 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:45 pm

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Thoughts on my large string of posts and recent accusations IaI?
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Post Post #3677 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:45 pm

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It's called read sheeping.
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Post Post #3678 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:48 pm

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In post 898, kuror0 wrote:Ok so here is what i got so far:

Wisdom: Town. He is always trying to put logic behind every of his actions, while I don't agree with some of the stuff he says or do it is still clear to me where he is coming from, which is a very towny thing imo.

Bulde: Town. Pretty much the same as wisdom. He has always shown the logic behind his actions and has been asking a couple of good questions.

Remem: Leaning town. I really dislike some of the stuff he does, it throws me off really hard as i said before but, due to being the 3rd N1PR claim and that his latest stuff is not so shady i am going to put him here.

HD: Leaning town. I had him as a town read on my catch up but since then he hasn't done anything to strengthen that early read i will put him here.

Nacho: Null. Oh, boy. I have some real hard time deciding what to believe about nacho and have decided that I can't put him anywhere but null until more info has been provided. His plan is good but due to his previous game in the same format got me thinking a lot. First option is that Town-Nacho want to use the same plan that defeated him to win this game which is why he suggested it and etc. The second option is that maybe Scum-Nacho somewhere along his previous game, noticed there was a chance to break this strategy but it may have been too late in the game, so this time he can suggest the plan to get some easy towncred and try out a gambit to break the strategy. I may be being too paranoid but he claiming a N1 PR really got me nervous. So for now I will have Nacho sit here on my null space.

Mantiz: Slightly scum. Am I the only one surprised on so many town calls already to someone who just came in? That's a bit scary and weird. Also the soft suggestion on wisdom to vote the only remaining inactive out of 13 people is scummy.

IAI: Leaning scum. I want him to finish his catch up before jumping on him but so far seems like only an instigator watching if someone bites his accusations.

SE-Asians: Scum. Haven't done anything to move him from there since my initial scum read. I still can't see a good reason why a town would want to fakeclaim... twice, even if it indeed was sarcasm the timing was horrible. Also as i said before his overall game has been very anti town.

VOTE: SE-Asians

So those are my read for now, I'm sorry I left some people out but I haven't managed to get a hold on their slots so I rather take a little more time to develop those reads, also I am not used to this size of games so it is a little harder to keep track of everybody.
Interesting the Bacde/Fate is not on here.

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Post Post #3679 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:56 pm

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In post 3676, Remembrance wrote:Thoughts on my large string of posts and recent accusations IaI?
Basically sounds like you think Bulder may be trying to set us up. I share those concerns to a degree. Like I said earlier, if I am wrong about you, he is almost assuredly the last scum and will run with that accusation that I was the one behind getting you lynched all the way to the win.

I still can't see how anyone who reads D4 though could think Mollie, Asians, or I are scum. When I saw Jon was the NK last night, I jumped for joy and said this game is in the bag. Can't believe Asians and Mollie, who both strongly defended me D4, all of sudden vote me despite the guy I pushed D4 flipping scum! How did his flip cause anything but even more surety to Asians and Mollie that I am indeed town is beyond me.

Regardless of what happens, we'll have lots to chat about postgame. I will have some apologies for some players on the way I acted, and some serious recommendations for some players on how to improve their play. Curious to see how this all plays out and if I was indeed right about you and Kuror as far back as D3. :D
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Post Post #3680 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:59 pm

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Uh, I don't think you are scum IaI. I think I've said that plainly.
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Post Post #3681 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:01 pm

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Yeah we will have a lot to talk about. But It's not a newbie game, so I'm not quite sure about how much advice I'll get. I am upset with how I played this game and upset that I got upset at others.
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Post Post #3682 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:04 pm

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I want to know. Why you asked for that list.
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Post Post #3683 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:04 pm

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In post 941, kuror0 wrote:
In post 938, Fate wrote:I'll go for that asians guy based on the quote

Vote: SE-Asians


Saved me 40 pages thanks
So you replace and will just sheep the first bw you see to avoid any reading? You won't develop any read by your own or what's the idea behind this?
interesting, confirmed scum coaching

followed shortly thereafter by possible more scum coaching:
In post 1013, kuror0 wrote:
In post 1007, Remembrance wrote:Because he gave up and it pisses me off. That is the only reason I am tempted to.
Your first post doesn't reflect why you were tempted to. If that's really your only reason try to be more clear next time because at least, I perceived it as a lot of flip floping.
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Post Post #3684 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:05 pm

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Pretty sure I already had this discussion with a different player.
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Post Post #3685 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:07 pm

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Yeah I did actually.
In post 3250, Remembrance wrote:That was impossible to discern from how you wrote that. I thought you were asking Kuror0.

Associative tells are false. Some specific reasons that come though my head is that Kuror0 coached me in my last newbie game, the whole time, constantly warning me of my over confidence in my reads and such. Also, scum tend to coach inside of the scum chat, so that's definitely a jump. Do you coach in thread when you're scum? Or do you wait and bus when appropriate? If you want you can find Nacho's post where he links to my town game, here Rem town. in that thread you have Kuror0, giving me advice the whole way through, and we're both town. A lot of what Kuror0 is saying in regards to me is referencing that game. And there was a huge argument about town hunting in that game, it was very much a strange game where I was trying out a style that was extremely scummy. And it confused a lot of people. I'd also say that you're using the wrong word, that isn't town reading (he only did that more recently) he was at first fence sitting and then it gradually progressed to town. Similar to his gradual progression from null-Nacho to town Nacho.


Can you explain your Se-Asians scum read? Or did I miss it somewhere?

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Not Voting: buldermar, SE-Asians, jon_h61

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Post Post #3686 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:08 pm

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In post 3682, Remembrance wrote:I want to know. Why you asked for that list.
The list from towniest to scummiest (or vice versa, I can't remember)?

The underlined was why.
In post 3618, I Am Innocent wrote:PS - Remembrance and Bulder, in your next post,
I want you two to stop waffling
and to rank the players from scummiest to towniest. I will do likewise:

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Asians, Mollie, from this point forward I do not want you doing this. Scum should not be tipped off where you are leaning D6 if they get that far...

If Asians or Mollie are somehow scum, I will personally take this loss on myself and nom that player for a scummy.
At this point, I knew Asians and Mollie were not going to be lynched (I myself would never vote them and I spilled the beans on my Asians read when I saw Mollie worried about that slot).

So since it was just us, I wanted each player not named Asians/Mollie to commit. I picked you 1st since I had a bigger scum read on you than Bulder.

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Post Post #3687 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:10 pm

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I thought it was because you were worried about Buldermar. I mentioned this speculation in an earlier post.
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Post Post #3688 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:11 pm

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In post 3684, Remembrance wrote:Pretty sure I already had this discussion with a different player.
Well that was before Kuror flipped and we could start piecing the connections together...

Do you agree that Kuror was scum coaching Fate in that post I quoted?

So when you do admit so, would you also agree that it is possible Kuror would scum coach his other partner if he saw him doing something that might get him suspected?
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Post Post #3689 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:12 pm

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Is there anyway I can convince you to lynch Buldermar today and try to lynch me tomorrow (if there is one)? I don't have confidence you can pull off that particular lynch in mylo/lylo.

I don't know IaI, this is the first time I've encountered scum Kuror0.
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Post Post #3690 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:13 pm

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In post 3687, Remembrance wrote:I thought it was because you were worried about Buldermar. I mentioned this speculation in an earlier post.
I listed my suspects in order of scumminess in that same post I asked you and Bulder for the lists. I had you as scummier, so why would I ask Bulder to go before you?
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Post Post #3691 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:14 pm

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If I had to choose between lynching my top scum read or lynching my second scum read and then have a good chance of lynching my first scum read. And if I lynched my top scum read first and would be lynched the next day if I were wrong.

I'd pick #1.
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Post Post #3692 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:15 pm

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Rather, #2.
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Post Post #3693 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:16 pm

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Misinterpreted that question.

Because if I gave out my list first, then you could act on it before Buldermar could counteract it.
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Post Post #3694 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:16 pm

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It gives you more time to act.
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Post Post #3695 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:17 pm

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In post 3689, Remembrance wrote:Is there anyway I can convince you to lynch Buldermar today and try to lynch me tomorrow (if there is one)? I don't have confidence you can pull off that particular lynch in mylo/lylo.

I don't know IaI, this is the first time I've encountered scum Kuror0.
I agree that if you are the lynch today and you flip town, I will likely be lynched tomorrow. I would be okay if Bulder is the lynch today...but with Asians flaking and his vote on me, you need to get Mollie on board too.

Basically this close to the deadline, I think whoever Mollie shoots for is who is going to get lynched (the one exception is if you and Bulder team up on me since that is where Asians left his vote...)

Mollie, your thoughts?
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Post Post #3696 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:22 pm

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In post 3692, Remembrance wrote:Rather, #2.
I hear you and I actually agree with this. My favorite LyLo (actually MyLo) games (Newbie 1061) was when I went toe to toe against one of the loudest most obnoxious players on this site (RayFrost, I love ya!!!)....but when I realized he had to be the final scum I dug and dug and found the condemning evidence until everyone voted with me and we won.
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Post Post #3697 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:23 pm

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Bulder, come out come out wherever you are...
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Post Post #3698 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:24 pm

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Your notice of Se-asians strange way of replacing out just makes me more confident you're town. /: What scum notices that shit?
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