Mini Normal 1460 - Normalville Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Grimgroove]

Getting back to the rest later, but about my question:

5. Quite frankly, everything. My NL vote got loads of reactions and kinda got the game going, I think. Plus, Grimgroove's post on Future is quite the case, and Darthe's lurking is also something that worries me. But if you think that between page 2 and 7 nothing deserved of a change has happened, well then... give the thread another read.

This sounds exactly like the sort of thing scum would say. "I was wrong and

was trying to pull a fast one early

, but it got reactions guys!!!! Also, please don't lynch me."

What do you mean by "pulling a fast one"? It's an expression I am unfamiliar with. Why is "pulling a fast one" scummy and when did BP "pull a fast one"?

[Grimgroove]

In this case numberfour defended a no lynch on Day 1 and was town.

And he deserved to die for being anti-town. But this really comes up to opinion. I'm down with lynching village idiots, are you?

Only when there are no better options.
Also, numberfour didn't die in that topic, nobody did. It got cancelled before anyone got the chance to lynch/kill anyone.
Also, what makes someone a Village Idiot? Dio you feel BP deserves this title simply for his stance on No Lynch? What would you think if someone said that if someone is unable to use straightforward quote-tags properly, he'll probably also be unable to do something as complex as finding scum?

Here is the deal that I don't think you understand. NL day 1 is a horrible idea for reasons already explained (we lose a lynch, flip, chance at hitting scum, etc.). If the town nl d1 it puts the scum at a significant advantage over the town, thus it would be a good idea if scum could a achieve a no lynch d1. It makes prefect sense for scum to advocate for a nl d1 because it helps them out. So yes arguing for a no lynch is scummy, or at the very least not town.

We're going in circles. Please read what I said, I understand the theory perfectly fine, thank you.

[Slandaar]

Note to self: sort this game out.

Note to Red: No lynch is completely experience related not alignment related on D1.

[Red Dragon]

In this case numberfour defended a no lynch on Day 1 and was town.

And he deserved to die for being anti-town. But this really comes up to opinion. I'm down with lynching village idiots, are you?

Only when there are no better options.
Also, numberfour didn't die in that topic, nobody did. It got cancelled before anyone got the chance to lynch/kill anyone.
Also, what makes someone a Village Idiot? Dio you feel BP deserves this title simply for his stance on No Lynch? What would you think if someone said that if someone is unable to use straightforward quote-tags properly, he'll probably also be unable to do something as complex as finding scum?

Here is the deal that I don't think you understand. NL day 1 is a horrible idea for reasons already explained (we lose a lynch, flip, chance at hitting scum, etc.). If the town nl d1 it puts the scum at a significant advantage over the town, thus it would be a good idea if scum could a achieve a no lynch d1. It makes prefect sense for scum to advocate for a nl d1 because it helps them out. So yes arguing for a no lynch is scummy, or at the very least not town.

We're going in circles. Please read what I said, I understand the theory perfectly fine, thank you.

ohh you didn't understand the expression. It means that he was trying to sneak something under our noses. Meaning he was trying to get a no lynch without us giving much thought to it. He tried to do it fast, thus tried to pull a fast one.

Note to Red: No lynch is completely experience related not alignment related on D1.

Not necessarily.

[Darthe]

Post 49. Never did I say I voted NL for other reason other than I though that was the way to go.

Anywho. Off to bed. Day off tomorra. I sincerely hope that during the next day things will develop. Cheerio!

not talking about post 49. I'm talking about the post I quoted.

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@Red Dragon

"Pulling a fast one"? Explain.

I don't understand the question.

The two are in direct conflict and it looks like a backing of BP, not to mention basically the same logic.

Cool story, but I'm voting him.

D1 lynches might not exactly be ground breaking, but as per discussion it is more beneficial for town to lynch. Therefore its more beneficial for scum to suggest NL. Another key idea why BP is scummy is because of his inconsistency in his idea.

He basically "changed sides" because the side he was on makes him look bad, which is what scums fear.

*nods* all of a sudden he is okay with voting and everything. This is the "pulling a fast one" I was referring to (f that is the correct interpretation of the question).

In this case numberfour defended a no lynch on Day 1 and was town.

And he deserved to die for being anti-town. But this really comes up to opinion. I'm down with lynching village idiots, are you?

Again: when talking about No Lynching: it's not obscure. It's a stance that has certain arguments going for it that are convincing enough for some people, and not for others. It is not alignment indicative.

Here is the deal that I don't think you understand. NL day 1 is a horrible idea for reasons already explained (we lose a lynch, flip, chance at hitting scum, etc.). If the town nl d1 it puts the scum at a significant advantage over the town, thus it would be a good idea if scum could a achieve a no lynch d1. It makes prefect sense for scum to advocate for a nl d1 because it helps them out. So yes arguing for a no lynch is scummy, or at the very least not town.

Technically the best times to no lynch are day 1 or lylo (or is it mylo, I always confuse those) and the worst time is mid game.

The points you made against no lynching aren't wrong Dragon, they just are general faults in no lynch and not specific to day one. The real disadvantage to a no lynch day one is that no info is available at the time, so it can seem to be a crapshoot. However, if the game starts at night or you happen to have multiple investigative PR's or an open setup etc, it can be a very safe and effective way to run early game.

[Baezu]

@BP yes. Currently I feel future us scummier than you. That's why I changed my vote over to him. Why do I feel he's scummier than the gooner? Because of the fact that his only defense is an ongoing game and he has nothing else to say for himself.

[Red Dragon]

Technically the best times to no lynch are day 1 or lylo (or is it mylo, I always confuse those) and the worst time is mid game.

The points you made against no lynching aren't wrong Dragon, they just are general faults in no lynch and not specific to day one. The real disadvantage to a no lynch day one is that no info is available at the time, so it can seem to be a crapshoot. However, if the game starts at night or you happen to have multiple investigative PR's or an open setup etc, it can be a very safe and effective way to run early game.

What? So because it isn't the worst time we should do it now even though it is still bad? what? This is not epic mafia. The game does not start at night. So so stop talking about stuff that doesn't happen.

[ac1983fan]

Nachomamma8 replaces Kattaze effective immediately.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Elyse

[ac1983fan]

Vote Count:

Future (4) - grimgroove, chernobylcitybus, BP, Baezu (L-3)

thegooner (3) - Slandaar, Elyse, PeregrineV
Elyse (1) - Nachomamma8
Baezu (2) - Future, thegooner
BP (2) -Red Dragon, Ztife

Not Voting (1) - Darthe

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch or no lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2013-07-03 10:00:00)

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[PeregrineV]

Back later tonight.

[Darthe]

@Mod, I voted BP in post 166. Sorry, don't know how to highlight in white.

[ac1983fan]

@Mod, I voted BP in post 166. Sorry, don't know how to highlight in white.

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[Darthe]

ah I see, thank you.

Vote: BP

[Darthe]

Dammit..

Vote: BP

[Baezu]

Hi nacho!

[Ztife]

@Grim
Ok, I see. I admit I haven't take much of a closer look at alot of posts yet, but atm the only thing that interest me is BP.
What do you think of his hesitation then? It was not so much of an NL, but more of the lack of explaination for his own push and then the wavering opinions about it.

@PeregrineV
Please explain your BP town read.

Gonna be catching up on this future wagon now.

[BP]

@Grim
Ok, I see. I admit I haven't take much of a closer look at alot of posts yet, but atm the only thing that interest me is BP.
What do you think of his hesitation then? It was not so much of an NL, but more of the lack of explaination for his own push and then the wavering opinions about it.

@PeregrineV
Please explain your BP town read.

Gonna be catching up on this future wagon now.

This only explains what I've said earlier. You need to give the thread another read. Not a look-see; an actual read.

Extremely tired. More tomorrow.

[Elyse]

so. many. walls.

[Nachomamma8]

Ugh

I feel like trying something different...

I want everyone to answer these;
What is your favourite alignment and why?
What is your favourite role and why?

Me; I like being a town neighbour because I enjoy having a thread to scumhunt in during the night; gives me something to do; and I prefer the scumhunting aspect of the game over the imascumbag side hence town neighbour.

I guess neighbour isn't actually a role but meh I am counting it.

Oh Slaandy.

Oh, I thought we were on RVS. Sorry.

VOTE: NO LYNCH

This was strange. What was this about?

Only town is so eager to put out scumreads this early in the game, half expecting/hoping they would be right in order to boast with them at the end of the game.

"Only town" makes it sound so definite. Although I do agree with the townread.

Also, I voted no lynch because I don't believe in Day 1 lynches. Don't make much sense to me. I'm more much more keen on analyzing Night 1's kill choice that trying to see through people's reasons and motives behind every vote on Day 1, which are mostly based on RVS reactions and bandwagoning, so...

And reading people as scum because it can totally happen on Day 1.

The way Baezu jumps on this "easy" bait I find scummier than publicly daring to take a stance you'll know very few people will agree with.

Weren't you just calling Baezu super town just five minutes ago?

Day 1 -> Mislynch :: Night 1 -> Scummies will cover it up pretty well given the Day 1 BW's and whatnot, which leads to Day 2 -> Mislynch again, which leads to Night 2 -> ANOTHER dead townie. HOPEFULLY, no important informative PR's will be killed and they'll have enough tells to start pointing fingers at actual scumpeople in a way that puts the rest of the Townies behind the bandwagon.

That's not how it happens here. Sometimes we lynch scum D1, D2, and D3. It's a serious mistake to rely on informative roles when we have people who are already pretty good at catching scum all around you.

My vote for Elyse was because I didn't realize the RVS had ended.

Are you voting Grim over a theoretical difference?

I'm torn. While I mentioned that gut off-ness about BP's posts, I completely disagree with Red Dragon and Baezu here. I really, really don't think BP's wanting to NL is indicative of his alignment either way; I haven't gone through his other games (if he has any) but his convictions here make it seem like an idea he stands by as town and one he would present as part of a town meta if he was scum. I don't think being difficult regarding mathematical logic is a scumtell. In fact, I'd expect scum to be even more flip-floppy than town in this case; scum loves to appease the town.

You waffled very hard here. Is he town or scum? You sort of jumped to his defense, but you didn't figure out his alignment.

Reading through I agree with Slandaar about thegooner's explanation for his vote on me. That stood out like a sore thumb.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: thegooner

@Grizzle
Any chance of a tl;dr of your walls?

You skimmed hard, huh?

In my town pile for now:
Red Dragon
BP
Grimgrove

Looking like scum:
thegooner
Future

Looking for a direction:
Darthe
Slandaar

Null: the rest

Vote: thegooner

Thanks for being useless!'

Baezu does seem bloodthirsty.

Being willing to hammer on page 5 does not seem very townie.

this is pretty opportunistic, Elyse.

Caps-level pissed off that my post got deleted.

Are you going to continue complaining about it, or are you going to do something for the rest of the gameday?

I was going to respond to Baezu but BP took the words right out of my mouth.

So yeah thegooner and Future are good lynches ATM.

What are your opinions on everyone else?

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Future

This one can die, yeah.

[Slandaar]

Oh right.

Future is actually scum.

VOTE: Future

L-1

[Grimgroove]

With 13 players it's very sad that the activity inhere is so low. What gives?

[Slandaar]

It gives everyone a chance to post good content instead of 'oh I can't keep up'

[Grimgroove]

I guess I'll spend my days looking forward to that then.
I assume that after your 177 you have "sorted things out"? Any findings?