Mini 1454 - GAME OVER

[GuyInFreezer]

I say that I visited not n2, while Jon says I visited someone else.

[marcmann2]

Jon is on my short list of possible scum, so his "info" doesn't mean much to me.

Today's lynch should be Juan, Jon, KTB, or myself. I'd rather it not be me because I can be more useful the later the game goes on.

[Rob14]

Vote Count #4.1:

marcmann2:

kthxbye, bubbajack8 (2)

JuanJuan:

marcmann2 (1)

Not Voting:

GuyInFreezer, jon_h61, Nobody Special, JuanJuan

With 7 alive, it takes 4 players to reach a lynch.

V/LA:

none

Deadline:

(expired on 2013-07-02 08:00:00)

[JuanJuan]

What are your reasons for wanting my lynch, mm2?

Bubba: I generally hold off hammering until I'm sure its the right decision, you can look at Newbie 1363 for the same (though I've made shocking reads in that game). People in this mini are a little more gung-ho than I am on hammering.

Not liking MM2's softclaim PR tbh, indicates he's PR but we have no way of validating that and he seems to not highly doubt GIF's claim. 2 dead PR's + 2 claimed PR's is pretty extensive, and there's a chance there are still more unclaimed.

End of D3 iminished my dislike for Kthx with the hammer, though could have been a sensible scum. In other circumstances I'd accept the wagon analysis on mm2 and it looks compelling, but I'm not sure I see the case on me. I was on the first L-1 wagon and I've explained my propensity to hammer late.

[JuanJuan]

EBWOP: should read 'could be a sensible bus' on kthx

[Rob14]

Locking until I have time to deal with an issue. The game will most likely continue in a few hours.

[Rob14]

JuanJuan is being force-replaced for continuing to talk about ongoing games despite past warnings not to do so in relations to this game. Thread unlocked.

[Nobody Special]

I need to go back and check some things.

[Rob14]

DeasVail replaces JuanJuan effective immediately.

[GuyInFreezer]

Locking until I have time to deal with an issue. The game will most likely continue in a few hours.

JuanJuan is being force-replaced for continuing to talk about ongoing games despite past warnings not to do so in relations to this game. Thread unlocked.

The thing is, that the thread was never locked.

[DeasVail]

Hey guys! I'll start reading in a couple of hours.

If there's anything that you think I should know beforehand, then well... let me know!

[Kthxbye]

@ GiF I'd like to hear what your PR is, I know you've visited someone who wasn't Not. With you outing yourself yesterday, you should have no problem explaining your actions. Town needs your info today before you're NKd. That is If you are Town.

I'll look into other scum after I hear from GiF.

UNVOTE:

Wait, what? jon, you need to get in here and explain yourself. First of all, if you know GiF visited someone who wasn't Not no matter what day it was, then you should be voting the shit out of him...yet you aren't. Your post also indicates you really have no clue what's going on with this game thus far as GiF ALREADY told us his claimed PR.

Claim: Even-Night Tracker

YOU VISITED NO ONE AT NIGHT 2

So, you are either a town PR (which you now need to claim) that caught GiF in a scummy lie, or you are scum who just royally screwed up a fake claim.

___________________________

Well, there goes my VCA logic...right out the fuckin window. Either Jon or GiF are scum and most likely the last remaining scum.

___________________________

GiF, why aren't you voting jon right now? He's claiming you are lying about your PR. Granted, he did it in a way that is very very weird, but he's still saying you lied and are now busted (again, in a round about manner). I honestly can't figure out why the 2 of you aren't voting each other.

___________________________

As it doesn't really matter too much which of you goes first (a town flip would mean the others death tomorrow), I'll wait for jon to specify what he's talking about and for both of you to answer why you aren't voting the other as it makes no sense....

[GuyInFreezer]

GiF, why aren't you voting jon right now? He's claiming you are lying about your PR. Granted, he did it in a way that is very very weird, but he's still saying you lied and are now busted (again, in a round about manner). I honestly can't figure out why the 2 of you aren't voting each other.

Because I want to hear what he has to say first. I do realize that he is NOT voting me, and I have no clue what he's up to. Plus, his 1044 feels town rather than scum fucking up big time.

[GuyInFreezer]

What I mean by "what he has to say", I mean his report.

[GuyInFreezer]

the last remaining scum

Also I've been seeing this quite a lot: Why do you think that this game have only 2 scums?

[bubbajack8]

Marcs "i can be more useful as the game goes on" is something interesting to say at L-2... sounds bullshit to me though.

Jon ccing GIF right now is interesting unless GIF was lying about the even night shit so he lived through the night.

This game is interesting at the least.

[Kthxbye]

due to the SK and it being a mini. 4v9 isn't normal and I've personally never been in a mini that's not 3v10 whether that 3 be all scum or 2 scum and another anti-town.

^reply to GiF

[GuyInFreezer]

I doubt that this game has 2 scums, though. 2 doctors and more PR(s) heavily lean towards 3 mafias even with the presence of SK.

[Kthxbye]

hrm....well, we'll see once we lynch another scum. You could be right, but just the presence of an SK means a possible 2 kills per night...so town would need the back-up doc. That and town PR's can overlap and cause mislynches as well. So I'm gonna stick to one scum left until it's apparent that there is another. Shouldn't affect our lynch desires though as whether there be 1 or 2 left, we still want to lynch scum.

That said, it's pretty apparent that either you or Jon are lying about something and I can only think of a few reasons as to why that would be from your end. bubba opened his big mouth and gave you one. I want to see what Jon's claim and night results are before anything else.....this could take awhile....

[GuyInFreezer]

There's actually one scenario that both of us are NOT lying and imo has a good probablity. I'm waiting for Jon's report to see if what I'm thinking is out of the question.

[GuyInFreezer]

Kthx my point is that be careful tomorrow if we happen to mislynch today.
Going tomorrow thinking of LyLo and going tomorrow with 1 mislynch left makes a big fucking difference.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also MM2 you're claiming too since you "softed" a pr too.

[Kthxbye]

Yeah, not voting gif. ^not something scum warns town about. Even if he was scum and knew he was the last, he wouldnt post the above.

[bubbajack8]

You would be surprised KTB. Gif is a great player. I cant see him bussing from D1 in a 2 scum scenario. A 3 however, i could envision.

[marcmann2]

If I claim, my role becomes less useful. That's why I would rather not claim if I don't need to.