Micro 181: Everyone's being watched (Game Over)

[sword_of_omens]

Wisdom, it was more useless on Malakit...
maybe he thinks he can get support since there's a vote on you...

Do you really think it's a MsM/Egg team?
with both of them abstaining from the main wagons

Pedit: holy shit everybody post at once...

[Wisdom]

Wait, since when is the last thing a scum tell? I have seen town do that. >.>

It might not be a scumtell under different circumstances, but in this case it is. She's trying hard to make people suspect me while practically having no case.

[Wisdom]

Do you really think it's a MsM/Egg team?
with both of them abstaining from the main wagons

Its either Miss D and Malakittens, or Miss D and Egg. I kind of had a townread on Horus so I am not that sure about Egg; but seriously I don't understand his play at all.
In any case there's no doubt Miss D is scum, especially after those last attempts of her to push me.

[Wisdom]

you constant flips on Rach

Rach is a person that I have mislynched twice in the past. I cannot be too confident in my reads on her anymore. My "constant flips" should make it obvious that I'm trying to understand the situation and read her accurately.

[Wisdom]

Pedit: Oh gawd, the " X person's vote is useless" thing... Die Scum die

Oh do tell me how this is a scumtell.
You're desperate and you're just going over everything I say and add "omg scum scum scum".
It won't work, Mara.

[Wisdom]

Also Mara, tell me how I am connecting you with Malakittens.
My suspicions on you are in 521 through 564 (Everyone should really reread this exchange, as well as the meta I provided, it's really obvious she's scum)
In these posts, the only "connection" I make with you and Malakittens is saying that the scumteam I am seeing is Miss D/Malakittens in 538. In which I dont provide scumtells based on connection with Malakittens, I am just saying what my two scumreads are.
So where exactly am I connecting, Mara?

[Wisdom]

Don't you disappear on me few hours before the deadline! You're talking in site chat, come here and 1v1 me.

[Wisdom]

ftr here is an example of Town-me making connections and actually using them in cases against people.

[sword_of_omens]

Rach is the better bet Wisdom...

[sword_of_omens]

Unvote

[sword_of_omens]

never mind...

Vote : Rach

I was trying to weigh the benefits of a no lynch...
but the numbers aren't there...

[Wisdom]

Come on sword, if we had not waited for Egg you would have hammered Miss D. You saw how terrible her contradictions were.

[Egg]

I skimmed. Wisdom, it doesn't make sense that i'd rather lynch my scum reads than my town reads?

If I was scum why wouldn't I just go "meh, deadine" and vote Rach?

[JasonWazza]

Vote Count 2.10

[3] RachMarie: Malakittens, Grimgroove, Sword_of_omens,
[2] Miss Destroyer: RachMarie, Wisdom,
[2] Wisdom Miss Destroyer, Egg,

Not voting:

with 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2013-06-21 14:25:49)

That deadline is closing in, any votes that aren't in BEFORE the deadline will not be counted regardless of how late i am.

[Ms Marangal]

Do you really think it's a MsM/Egg team?
with both of them abstaining from the main wagons

Its either Miss D and Malakittens, or Miss D and Egg. I kind of had a townread on Horus so I am not that sure about Egg; but seriously I don't understand his play at all.
In any case there's no doubt Miss D is scum, especially after those last attempts of her to push me.

this is you making the connection between with someone else. you have done it many times, but you have denied it when I brought it up.

You're scum

~MMara

[Miss Destroyer]

Do you really think it's a MsM/Egg team?
with both of them abstaining from the main wagons

Its either Miss D and Malakittens, or Miss D and Egg. I kind of had a townread on Horus so I am not that sure about Egg; but seriously I don't understand his play at all.
In any case there's no doubt Miss D is scum, especially after those last attempts of her to push me.

this is you making the connection between with someone else. you have done it many times, but you have denied it when I brought it up.

You're scum

~MMara

[Miss Destroyer]

I bring up the point that you are making connections between people, and I have never seen you do it as scum. first time you ask, second time you outright deny that you did it, third time you actually show me a link where you did make connections but if you were town you wouldn't be worried about me using it as a point against you and you would have done that first and foremost.

also

k
Miss D/Malakittens is what I'm seeing right now

connection between me and Mala, you don't do anything with it. you just state it.

and then you make a connection between me and Egg when he joins me onto you...

also, your stance on Rach this game gives me a huge De ja Vu feeling on your stance on Vigiven in the polygamist game. This is making me believe that Rach is in fact town

~Mara

[Miss Destroyer]

Pedit: Oh gawd, the " X person's vote is useless" thing... Die Scum die

Oh do tell me how this is a scumtell.
You're desperate and you're just going over everything I say and add "omg scum scum scum".
It won't work, Mara.

It's circumstantial, and it's a way to try and get another person to jump off your wagon when it's slowly growing. You discredit the person voting for you, telling them that their vote sucks and that it's useless with deadline looming. It's weird given the fact that your vote is on someone Just as "useless" and that rule, for some reason, doesn't apply to you.

and speaking of going over everything we do and painting it under scum light...

Town can't contradict themselves?

because, if it's true than you should look at a few of your own actions.

you use absolute certainty that a person is scum as a scum-tell when you know it isn't.

and you compare me to a game where you're scum to call me scum when our play styles are nothing alike.

you are scum and you must die

~Mara

[Malakittens]

Yeah Wisdom. This is a town Mara >.<

I was wrong about the slot earlier, but this IS a town Mara posting. I don't see the scum in her posts right now.

[Wisdom]

Are you fucking kidding me Mala? If you're town and you believe what you said you can't read Mara for shit.

[Wisdom]

this is you making the connection between with someone else. you have done it many times, but you have denied it when I brought it up.

Do you know what making connections are?
It's using association tells to accuse people of being scum.
Again, my case on you has no association tells in it; you are scum because of your own behavior, because of your own actions, not because of your connection with others.
An example of actual connections/ association tells are in the game I linked.

[Wisdom]

I bring up the point that you are making connections between people, and I have never seen you do it as scum. first time you ask, second time you outright deny that you did it, third time you actually show me a link where you did make connections but if you were town you wouldn't be worried about me using it as a point against you and you would have done that first and foremost.

And why would I do that first and foremost?
Your whole case is "You're not usual town Wisdom" when you've seen how much I hate this and how I ignore it.

[Wisdom]

In post 538, Wisdom wrote:k
Miss D/Malakittens is what I'm seeing right now


connection between me and Mala, you don't do anything with it. you just state it.

and then you make a connection between me and Egg when he joins me onto you...

Again.
This is not making connections.
Making connections means using association tells.
Making connections means thinking someone is scum because someoone else is scum.

also, your stance on Rach this game gives me a huge De ja Vu feeling on your stance on Vigiven in the polygamist game. This is making me believe that Rach is in fact town

Bullshit.
Not only you assume that I play scum the same way all the time, all while you've seen my scumgame just once, but also my stance on Rach is nothing like VV. With VV I faked a whole argument trying to push him in hopes of getting support, stopped when I saw there was none. Here I am trying to read Rach, I have argued with her 2-3 times and I change my opinion about her because I am scared I am wrong about her. I do not need to gather support for a Rach lynch; she's at L-1 and I could have hammered her. Hell, if I wait, I can hammer her at the deadline and have the perfect excuse if she flips town. There is no relevence at all; this is just scum-you trying to justify why you find me "scum" with weak reasoning.

[Wisdom]

you use absolute certainty that a person is scum as a scum-tell when you know it isn't.

It isn't in general. I can tunnel on town as town and be completely certain they are scum, but I am not going to quote all their posts and go "scum scum scummy scum lynch scum omg scum". It's all about how you handle the situation.

[Wisdom]

and you compare me to a game where you're scum to call me scum when our play styles are nothing alike.

It does not matter if our playstyles are different; the scum motivation in both cases is scum motivation.