Mini 1452 - Inevitable Mafia (Game Over)

[gorckat]

Thought you were asking if Cooldog was the leading suspect for the town.

[BROseidon]

Am okay with RC's sheep onto me because I'm fairly confidant that he's town at this point. rofl's I am less comfortable with because he's been rubbing me the wrong way all game.

The relevance of nhammen putting CooLDoG to L-1 is to state that he was, in fact, on that wagon on someone who has become a townread for most people. DCL and Rob are both dead from that wagon (and confirmed town), I know my alignment, and I've townread the Hoopla/DBK slot pretty much all game up until this day phase, and now I'm just paranoid as fuck because we can't seem to hit shit.

Reason to suspect CooLDoG if you are town has to do with CooLDoG's wagon and Yates's wagon. If you are town, his position in both of those (receiving end of a wagon sheeped entirely by town as well as in the middle of a wagon on a towny) make him look really bad.

gorckat: Reason why nhammen is a better wagon than ThAd given an equal scumread on the two of them is because of the mason counter-claim. If we go to LyLo and scum don't NK the mason, then the only people who can counterclaim mason are myself, rofl, jmo, hoopla, and nhammen. Lynching nhammen has the potential to remove scum who could convolute the mason situation tomorrow, whereas lynching ThAd would not have the potential to do this. Also, why are you calling out ThAd when you've previously stated that you think scum were entirely off the DCL wagon? This seems odd.

I think there are probably better lynches today than nhammen who hasn't jumped out at me as scum, then again scum are probably in the "haven't jumped out at me as scum" pile, so I'm torn on this. Would still prefer to lynch gorckat, but I will have a look back at some of the other wagons that formed in this game to see if I can figure anything out.

Waiting for this.

CooLDoG I do not dislike your vote but you're reasoning is meh.

Hmmm other than all this not much has changed for me. I need to do an ISO of gorckat to see what I think there but that isn't time urgent because I don't want to lynch there today. I want to lynch off the DCL wagon.

And yes I'm aware of the risk here but frankly I'm super willing to take that risk at this point.

[ThAdmiral]

These are all the wagons of 4 or more from the mods posts:

TMTOLBTWNTOF

- Does Bo Know,

DCLXVI

, BROseidon, jmo16mla

DLCXVI

-

TMTOLBTWNTOF

,

RadiantCowbells

,

ThAdmiral

, gorckat

DLCXVI

-

TMTOLBTWNTOF

, gorckat,

Rob13

, CooLDoG,

RadiantCowbells

TMTOLBTWNTOF

-

DCLXVI

, BROseidon, jmo16mla,

Yates

RadiantCowbells

-

Rob13

, nhammen,

TMTOLBTWNTOF

,

RadiantCowbells

,

CooLDoG -

ThAdmiral

, Does Bo Know, Broseidon,

Rob13

,

DCLXVI

, nhammen

CooLDoG -

ThAdmiral

,

DCLXVI

, nhammen, gorckat,

RadiantCowbells

TMTOLBTWNTOF

- BROseidon, jmo16mla,

Yates

, Hoopla,

DCLXVI

, gorckat,

Rob13

Yates

- Broseidon, roflcopter, nhammen, CooLDoG, gorckat,

RadiantCowbells

Analysis

Firstly it is highly doubtful the scumteam is hoopla(does bo know), bro and jmo for the simple fact that I doubt they would all be on the same tmt wagon so early in the game together.

Given that I am reading cooldog as town now gorckat looks bad because of the dcl wagon. The case on him, at the time, seemed fairly decent and it makes sense that at least one scum would be on it.
Nhammen and gorckat were also on the cooldog wagon when it was on 5, similarly it makes sense if at least one of them were scum.

Broseidon is one that hadn't really pinged my scumdar much this game, but looking at the voting history there is evidence to suggest he deserves further scrutiny. He was on the early tmt wagon with the only other unknown being jmo for much of the time. Furthermore he was on the cooldog wagon, being one unknown out of hoopla(does bo know), nhammen and himself, before getting back on the tmt wagon for its lynch. Finally he was also on the yates lynch. I don't really blame the people on the yates lynch, due to how he was acting it was inevitable he was going to be lynched. That being said I don't like posts like this:

Can we just get a flip so that all this fucking WIFOM can stop. I don't have the energy for this shit.

Anyway if I had to guess now the scumteam would be:
gorck, bro and one of hoopla/jmo

[CooLDoG]

Yeah, that frustration is pretty much the reason I have been wavering towards a townread on CooLDoG.

Although CooLDoG, is leading the town scummy? Hoopla always tends to be a townleader type, in my memory.

No it isn't scummy. But I'm getting weird vibes by the way she is doing it. It seems a little bit too under the table and subtle to me. It is mostly gut, but I just feel it.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not sheeping people, other people are sheeping me.

I was the first one to push on both Nhammen and Hoopla.

You characterizing it as me "sheeping" you is something I don't like at all.

VOTE: Broseidon

[ThAdmiral]

That sounds ok to me.

vote: bro

[BROseidon]

RC, why don't you like that? What is the scum motivation in me misrepping you and then saying I don't think you're scum?

[nhammen]

I had a townread on BRO on D1, but I don't remember much of his contributions at this time. I may have to take a closer look at some point, but I'm too lazy to do any ISOs at the moment.

I'd like to try something though
VOTE: rofl

[RadiantCowbells]

It's like you're setting me up. There's absolutely no positive interpretation of it.

You could be blatantly misrepresenting me intentionally. That's scummy.
You could also not have read the thread very well and not realize that I first pushed on Nhammen last night. That would show you're not scumhunting, which is scummy.

It's hard to state a clear motivation for it without flips on one or both of you, but there's no positive spin on that.

[gorckat]

I want to lynch off the DCL wagon.

And yes I'm aware of the risk here but frankly I'm super willing to take that risk at this point.

Thad's a wildcard for me. I've been in line with his thinking early game and that lead me to seeing maybe an all-town wagon on DCL.

Both Thad and nhammen both have an under the radar vibe.

If Thad is scum and CD is town, then scum would want to not make the lynch on the DCL wagon- it's an eventual scum lynch when PoE catches up.

Also share CD's skepticism re Hoops...something felt hinky when she jumped in the game.

Thad preferred lynch followed by nhammen. And rofl...I don't trust him as far as he can be thrown by Thor, God of Thunder, let alone in LYLO. His whole playstyle is active lurky. Every time I remember he's still alive is a moment I really despise this game.

[CooLDoG]

It's like you're setting me up. There's absolutely no positive interpretation of it.

I wouldn't worry about it. It is nearly impossible to set you up at this point.

[jmo16mla]

Prod dodge.

[roflcopter]

bro wagon is terrible, radiant you need to not be so reactionary

my best guess right now is nhammen+hoopla+(admiral/gorc) but i'm leaning admiral for that third spot

[BROseidon]

I wouldn't worry about it. It is nearly impossible to set you up at this point.

This. Now do you have any reason other than my misrep to think that I'm scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

I mostly wanted to see your reaction, which I liked.

I still think you're town, in other words.

Nhammen voting Rofl seems very opportunistic; lots of people have expressed dislike of Rofl, and it seems like Nhammen is just happy to pin the lynch on anyone who isn't him.

VOTE: Nhammen

[RadiantCowbells]

Hoopla can wait.

[BROseidon]

rofl what do you think of ThAd sheeping RC?

[BROseidon]

And by sheeping I mean voting me right after he did.

[roflcopter]

its the reason I'm leaning admiral over gorc

[nhammen]

Crap! The crash ate my post. I will try to recover most of it from memory. Additionally, it doesn't matter if it matches exactly, since either way it will contain my thoughts on the game.

I voted for rofl because he had not posted here for four days. I expected that if he was scum that was reading the thread but not posting, then he would show up soon after and complain about my vote. He did show up soon after my vote, but did not mention my vote at all. I'm not sure what to make of that.

I'm also not sure of what to make of the wagon on me. BRO's vote looks like real scumhunting, but rofl refuses to give reasons for his actions, and RC has been derping his votes all day.

[jmo16mla]

you also suspected me as the third scum partner, and called me derp.

[Kitoari]

Votecount #13:
nhammen - Broseidon, roflcopter, RadiantCowbells
Hoopla - CooLDoG
Broseidon - thadmiral
roflcopter - nhammen

Not voting - jmo16mla, Hoopla, gorckat

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

gg riot

Just to explain my votes so everyone's clear:

Nhammen has never done anything except follow the town's opinion. He gets on the major wagons, never leading or hammering them, and has generally the same reads as the majority.

That indicates him as scum to me; I don't see any effort at all to find scum in any of his posts.

Same goes for Hoopla; he bosses people around all game but doesn't actually come up with any scumreads of his own. No scumhunting at all.

What they both have in common is that they scumread Roflcoptor; perhaps the scumteam is Rofl/Hoopla/Nhammen?

My vote on Broseidon was to make him explain his previous post; I still consider him leaning town.

[ThAdmiral]

I guess my questions to people are:

1) do people think the dcl wagon was all town? if not who is scum out of me, cooldog, gork?

2) Do people think the tmt wagon was all town? If not who is scum out of bro, jmo, hoopla?

[CooLDoG]

I wouldn't worry about it. It is nearly impossible to set you up at this point.

This. Now do you have any reason other than my misrep to think that I'm scum?

Jesus Christ, so defensive. Also, you just admitted that you misrepped. But whatever dude, I want hoopla dead at this point.

I guess my questions to people are:

1) do people think the dcl wagon was all town? if not who is scum out of me, cooldog, gork?

2) Do people think the tmt wagon was all town? If not who is scum out of bro, jmo, hoopla?

I highly doubt any early gaame wagon won't have scum on it. Especially town. It would have to be glork or you. At that point I would probably be more inclined to vote for you... but at this point I think hoop has a higher likely hood of being scum based off of other things.