Let's go bit-by-bit.
In post 764, enomis wrote:Oh please mastin. Please stop the hypocritical act. Even if it wasn''t LYLO, you wouldn't be self voting.
Yes, I would be. I was dead-certain that triton was scum. It was pretty much a 1v1. I was wrong. If the town player voted me today, it wouldn't be unjustifiably so. I may make small screwups all the time, but entering a toe-to-toe fight with a town player is just about as big a screwup as I can make. I'm a man of my word, and on several instances have done exactly that: self-voted for being wrong.
If i recall, you was only convinced that i was town and linxie was a null/town read for you.
Golden rule: reads to fit the evidence, not evidence to fit the reads. I never,
never
rush into lylo with a vote. And there is plenty of evidence suggesting you-as-scum. I dismissed it in favor of you-as-town and triton-as-scum, but his townflip made me re-think things. If you are seriously trying to use this point against me, it applies just as much to you: you had a townread on me, and now you don't. Which would make this hypocrisy. In fact, let's look at your wording:
I really regret not hammering you in day 3 and was blinded by the fact that Lucky was so scummy/ you had some post which has the same mindset as me.
This is the exact thing you're accusing me of doing. You're faking shock at Lucky flipping town.
When you unvoted Lucky, to vote Jason, it was a perfect opportunistic vote. Lets take a look at the situation: Lucky and Mattel was voting for Jason. Ucrit,Linxie and Jason was voting for lucky. And you did not say anything. You just vote Jason and left your vote there.
The reason I voted Jason was
there was a god-damned cop guilty on Jason
. Of course that's opportunistic. And of course I "left my vote there". I couldn't reveal the reason for my switch was that I had picked up on the cop; had I done that, mattel would have been doomed to die. I
intentionally tried to limit the information available to the scum
. If Jason had been hammered earlier, then the scum might have never picked up on the 'crumb.
From your join date and i have the impression that you are quite an established player on site, I think that these arguments are really weak and you are not even scumhunting.
Which fallacy was this? Oh, yeah.
Burden of Proficiency. This is the exact tell pointed against countless ICs throughout the years. Heck, it was the argument put against me the last time I was an IC, which set me up as the scum's mislynch in 3p lylo. It's called a fallacy for a reason: because it relies on a player being better than they are. I am an excellent theorist. I am actively involved in Mafia Discussion, I can teach fairly competently, but I am no master scumhunter. My joindate is actually a year earlier in 2008 on the exact same day; mastin2 is an alt of Mastin. Does that extra year make me any more of a competent player? No, it doesn't. Age != skill. Skill = skill, and I've never so much as been
nominated
for a scummy. Why not? Because I'm not even close to that good of a player. I'm a mediocre-at-best player. I'm good enough to have picked up on mattel's 'crumbs, and good enough to not rush into lylo carelessly, but a master scumhunter, I am not.
There's a damn-good reason why I-as-scum wouldn't kill triton: in a 1v1 against him,
I could win
. He's a player roughly equivalent to my skill level, yes, but he legitimately was in a much,
much
weaker position than I was. Heck, his hammer vote on Lucky was scummy-as-hell. There's a damn-good reason why you-as-scum would kill triton, too: because you didn't want to be trapped in a position where you had townreads on both me and triton. Triton and I had seen the other as being scum on D3, but we're both competent players, who know not to rush lylo, to reassess the situation and analyze if maybe--just maybe--we were both being kept alive to crossvote each other for a loss in lylo. If that happened to you, you'd be screwed. You couldn't risk that, so a Linxie kill was out of the question.
You COULD kill me, yes, but Linxie thought triton was town and I was scum on D3. (Seriously, Linxie, tell me I'm wrong; I'm not--you thought I was scum, and it was clear from your posts. If I died, would you have reversed your read on triton? I don't think so. Instead, you'd have gone straight to enomis.) That would put you at the disadvantage coming into lylo. But with triton dead? Use triton's arguments against me, JUST LIKE NUL'S ARGUMENTS WERE USED AGAINST LUCKY. And best yet, you've already got Linxie (a less experienced player) likely to back you--Linxie (unlike triton and myself) is more likely to not change opinions come lylo, and thus, it's a reasonably safe bet that Linxie-in-lylo is voting me.
Who would I-as-scum kill? Not triton. He'd be my very last choice. As scum, my first kill choice would be Linxie. ("What? Not enomis?" Yes, not enomis.) I have a little saying: "the only thing predictable about newbies is that they are unpredictable". In lylo, that's a liability to me-as-scum. I can't predict the actions of a newbie, and I have trouble manipulating them. Both from a moral perspective (it goes against my beliefs to manipulate newbies to my advantage), and from a player perspective (it'd be difficult to know for sure if my manipulation would actually work). Triton, I could appeal to his paranoia. Enomis, I could appeal to with logic (because my argument against triton
was
strong, even if ultimately wrong).
A triton kill makes zero sense from a scum-Mastin perspective (it leaves me with nowhere to go, and no options available), and complete sense from a scum-enomis perspective.
You are also scum because you have rushed. As a reasonably-experienced player, you-as-town would not be so sure, so confident, come lylo. Note how Linxie and I both came in with doubts for lylo? There's a damn-good reason for that, because IN NO OTHER TIME IS IT AS VITAL AS IN LYLO than to ask yourself, "Why?" Why am I alive, why are they alive, why did people die when they did, what caused their demise? I had my doubts. As you can tell from the above argument, there's plenty which showed you could be scum, but was I convinced you were? Hell no.
1) He did not hammer Mastin and chose to vote Lucky which is a fking awkward situation. Minus that Ucrit hammer which was totally unexpected. He could have hammered Mastin and not get any scuminess at all but he did not do that. Then he could tunnel on Ucrit the last day.
On the contrary, Linxie-as-scum would know there would be a tomorrow. Hammering me would end the day prematurely. Letting me live could earn him some cheap towncred, especially from me. I had said that you not-hammering Lucky made you town, so why not Linxie not-hammering me? My point precisely. You-as-town would consider this, and not instantly come to the conclusion it makes him town. You-as-town might have it in your analysis, but you wouldn't show such absolute belief in it.
3) His, "i need to check something before i vote". He was under the impression if everybody voted and if no majority was reached after everybody voted, it would go to a no lynch which is a standard epicmafia situation. I think he came from there. Therefore, i think this consideration is very significantly pointing that he is newb town.
And this is another point for enomis-scum. Why newb-town? Why not newb-scum in the same situation? It's certainly a sign of being a newb, but what in this makes it newb-town? Absolutely nothing. The only way for it to instantly be newb-town in enomis's mind is if enomis is scum already.
A final point against enomis: ALL OF THE ABOVE LOOKS LIKE IT WAS TYPED OUT IN ADVANCE. Enomis looks like he was preparing this exact argument during the night, inside the mafia QT, and merely made small modifications in order to match the two posts before-hand. Enomis was banking on Linxie's read remaining the same, and a swift victory.
There's probably more if I was given time to reread, butyeah, needless to say:
VOTE: enomis.
thanks.
