Mafia of the Raptured (Game Over!)

[Syryana]

That was a troll flip. Look at the bottom of the post, Antagon was scum.

And I really have no suspects right now. In case you haven't noticed, I have been crazy busy elsewhere on the site. Tonight was supposed to be Not Busy with having read the game today, but tigers are why we can't have nice things.

This? I already responded to what I thought the flip was. As for you having no suspects/are busy, I was in process of asking you this:

If a small, adorable puppy were to come to you and say "Tierce, if you don't vote right now my heart will flutter and die", who would you vote?

[Tierce]

You're a cruel, mean person.

Fairly sure I'm pretty obviously inclined to vote hp[leaves].

[Vi]

~Vote Count XXXI

hp [leaves] (6) ~ Zdenek, Amrun, implosion, sword_of_omens, fferyllt, Oversoul
MattP (3) ~ Tammy, Katsuki, hp [leaves]
fferyllt (1) ~ Syryana

Not Voting:

(fferyllt,)

MattP,

(Oversoul,)

Tierce

-hp [leaves] is at L-1!

--With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
--Deadline is 04:20 EDT on June 26, 2013.

(This is your last day!)

---When I went to grab this picture Google told me "If you REALLY want something like this, you should get your camera out tonight."

[sword_of_omens]

You'd lose that bet. I am obviously not doing a very good job of articulating why the timing of mrbungle's vote felt townish to me, but I originally played mafia on sites where sometimes players don't post long cases prior to voting, especially early day 1. There is an intimidation factor involved and also a "hmm...what did HE see?" factor for non-involved players. Two players gave me that vibe during a fairly close interval in the thread - MattP and mrbungles. I did not read it as scummy on either of their parts at the time. And per my usual, I didn't bite.

It was interesting that my lack of concern about a lack of case was cause for consternation. But, I figured a case would show up eventually or the votes would go away.

Anyway, I'm still a little concerned about you. It sounds to me like you, too, are lining up lynches here.

I understand what you are saying, but you are missing my point here...you and i had just both come from a game where we played with town Bungles. he was very active and verbal in that game and had a lot of opinions and was not affraid to voice them...so why then with him being so close-mouthed and mysterious this game, would you see him as town? Yes i get that that you could see some people don't post cases prior to voting, etc..but you and i both have first hand, recent knowledge that town Bungles wasn't like that at all...

[Syryana]

I'm only mean in theory! I would never make such a cute little creature go through that.

I'm still waffling on hp [leaves] myself. I'll elaborate a bit more after me meal.

[Katsuki]

Because mattp's play, as scum, would be terribad. And that is not Matt.

Allow me to disagree and say that MattP was p. terrible scum in Abarat 2. I might be biased because I knew his alignment, but it was definitely not stellar.

Let me rephrase. His okay doesn't make sense as coming from a scum motivated place.

Good scum should be able to hide their motivation such that it doesn't shine through in a blazing neon sign.

[fferyllt]

You'd lose that bet. I am obviously not doing a very good job of articulating why the timing of mrbungle's vote felt townish to me, but I originally played mafia on sites where sometimes players don't post long cases prior to voting, especially early day 1. There is an intimidation factor involved and also a "hmm...what did HE see?" factor for non-involved players. Two players gave me that vibe during a fairly close interval in the thread - MattP and mrbungles. I did not read it as scummy on either of their parts at the time. And per my usual, I didn't bite.

It was interesting that my lack of concern about a lack of case was cause for consternation. But, I figured a case would show up eventually or the votes would go away.

Anyway, I'm still a little concerned about you. It sounds to me like you, too, are lining up lynches here.

I understand what you are saying, but you are missing my point here...you and i had just both come from a game where we played with town Bungles. he was very active and verbal in that game and had a lot of opinions and was not affraid to voice them...so why then with him being so close-mouthed and mysterious this game, would you see him as town? Yes i get that that you could see some people don't post cases prior to voting, etc..but you and i both have first hand, recent knowledge that town Bungles wasn't like that at all...

I get what you are saying. But, that was a different sort of dynamic, replacing into a game what? 3 days before nightfall with a ton of content to respond to? The interaction with mrbungles in this game was early, and there was very little content from me to even analyze. I don't always start games in slow motion, but I am more likely to do so when I don't know anything about many of the players. In the dragonballz game (where I also didn't know most of the players), even with hundreds of my posts, he had me as his weakest town read iirc.

With a handful of my posts in this game at the time, I was not at all surprised by his vote or by the way he put it down without support other than saying it was a serious vote.

[Syryana]

I'm still waffling on hp [leaves] myself. I'll elaborate a bit more after me meal.

I did some VCA. One thing that's making me uneasy about the hp lynch is Antagon's actions. I've not meta'd Antagon so I don't know how he plays, but I find it unlikely that he would bus at L-2. Now if this is multiball that alleviates the concern, but I'm not 100% convinced hp is scum in any case. I'm not allowed to elaborate, but I have recently seen hp-scum and this just doesn't...

feel

like hp-scum. I know this is a super-lame explanation but I just don't know how to support this scratchy feeling in the base of my skull.

I get what you are saying. But, that was a different sort of dynamic, replacing into a game what? 3 days before nightfall with a ton of content to respond to? The interaction with mrbungles in this game was early, and there was very little content from me to even analyze. I don't always start games in slow motion, but I am more likely to do so when I don't know anything about many of the players. In the dragonballz game (where I also didn't know most of the players), even with hundreds of my posts, he had me as his weakest town read iirc.

With a handful of my posts in this game at the time, I was not at all surprised by his vote or by the way he put it down without support other than saying it was a serious vote.

You. Why are you ignoring my questions?

[fferyllt]

I'm still waffling on hp [leaves] myself. I'll elaborate a bit more after me meal.

I did some VCA. One thing that's making me uneasy about the hp lynch is Antagon's actions. I've not meta'd Antagon so I don't know how he plays, but I find it unlikely that he would bus at L-2. Now if this is multiball that alleviates the concern, but I'm not 100% convinced hp is scum in any case. I'm not allowed to elaborate, but I have recently seen hp-scum and this just doesn't...

feel

like hp-scum. I know this is a super-lame explanation but I just don't know how to support this scratchy feeling in the base of my skull.

I get what you are saying. But, that was a different sort of dynamic, replacing into a game what? 3 days before nightfall with a ton of content to respond to? The interaction with mrbungles in this game was early, and there was very little content from me to even analyze. I don't always start games in slow motion, but I am more likely to do so when I don't know anything about many of the players. In the dragonballz game (where I also didn't know most of the players), even with hundreds of my posts, he had me as his weakest town read iirc.

With a handful of my posts in this game at the time, I was not at all surprised by his vote or by the way he put it down without support other than saying it was a serious vote.

You. Why are you ignoring my questions?

Were there questions in that gawdawful wall you posted? Or did I miss a post?

[implosion]

2) fferyllt
3) implosion
6) hp [leaves]
7) Oversoul
9) sword_of_omens

WOOOOSSSHHHHHH

so, apart from katsuki and myself, this winds up being a list of people who i don't have townreads on.

Then i iso'd katsuki, and i now have a townread on katsuki.

So yeah. I actually like this list.

You don't have a townread on yourself? Intriguing.

reread the post that you quoted ^_^

[MattP]

I'm hammering in a moment

You have five mins to protest

[Tierce]

I did some VCA. One thing that's making me uneasy about the hp lynch is Antagon's actions. I've not meta'd Antagon so I don't know how he plays, but I find it unlikely that he would bus at L-2.

Isn't that the time you would want to bus? To make your partner look like a vulnerable Town counterwagon?


PEdit: No, you are NOT hammering. Why the heck do you want to stifle discussion when we still have almost 9 hours and I've said I'm hammering before deadline if need be?

[MattP]

I didn't read anything other than deadline was at 4:20 EDT and I don't know what EDT means

So

[MattP]

Because mattp's play, as scum, would be terribad. And that is not Matt.

Allow me to disagree and say that MattP was p. terrible scum in Abarat 2. I might be biased because I knew his alignment, but it was definitely not stellar.

I'm a terrible scum replacement

I'm not so terrible when I have time to bullshit a bit and am not thrown into a ring mid fight

[fferyllt]

Why are you buddying the fuck out of me this game? The only time you ever got remotely close to this level of buddying was in Buzzword. Even then, you never once appeased me (as opposed to a half dozen times or more here) and I was damn near confirmed town from RVS in that game. Why here and now?

Actually, I would compare this game more to the Donner party game, where you were the only player I was remotely familiar with when the game started.

I'm not sure specifically what you are calling "appeasement" and I don't really care tbh. If I buddied anyone in this game it was Pjovik and I have a feeling that my reasons for taking a shine to him were not as role indicative as I thought. I still have a town read on that slot. To the extent I have solid reads, I'm putting them in the game thread.

Why did my dance with Tammy make you think I was town?

It reminded me of Nacho's town play and I think that sort of very fast semi stream-of-consciousness interaction is almost impossible to emulate when scum. Nacho wouldn't even start it with me when he was scum in the buzzword game.

[implosion]

Tierce, how does a hammer stifle discussion?

[Syryana]

Were there questions in that gawdawful wall you posted? Or did I miss a post?

Why are you buddying the fuck out of me this game? The only time you ever got remotely close to this level of buddying was in Buzzword. Even then, you never once appeased me (as opposed to a half dozen times or more here) and I was damn near confirmed town from RVS in that game. Why here and now?

Why did my dance with Tammy make you think I was town?

You've also been saying things like "that wall is gawdawful" and "there is no scum motivation for those things [in the wall]" for a while now. Why don't you actually rebut my points instead of saying generic "that was bad and you should feel bad" things? All you've done about it thus far is call it crap and mention your reads on Zdenek/SOO/hp, with only the Zdenek justification having anything to do with what I said.

Isn't that the time you would want to bus? To make your partner look like a vulnerable Town counterwagon?

Possibly. It doesn't feel like a bus to me though.

And this occurred to me as I was slashing zombie faces: hp [leaves] has claimed vanilla.

Actually I'll wait to finish this thought until hp flavor claims.

Pedit: The fuck you say, there's a big friggin spoiler section in my wall entitled "Buddying".
Pedit2: Are you for real, implosion?

[Tierce]

I didn't read anything other than deadline was at 4:20 EDT and I don't know what EDT means

So

Your answer to not knowing what EDT is when the deadline is on the title as

tomorrow

is to 1) not ask anyone 2) not google it and instead 3) plant an hammer threat.

There's something very wrong with this picture, and that someone is you.

[Tierce]

Tierce, how does a hammer stifle discussion?

I actually forgot this was Instant Night. But why do you condone rushing the Day?

[MattP]

There's something very wrong with this picture, and that someone is you.

You're just unnecessarily mean

[implosion]

Tierce, how does a hammer stifle discussion?

I actually forgot this was Instant Night. But why do you condone rushing the Day?

Well I never explicitly condoned it (although i will now) because it absolutely isn't rushing the day when we have about 8 hours to deadline. 8 hours is 1/9 of the day, which is approximately equivalent to hammering with a day and a half left in deadline in a 2-week deadline game.

[Katsuki]

There's something very wrong with this picture, and that someone is you.

You're just unnecessarily mean

And you're just (possibly?) unnecessarily scummy.

[Tierce]

Tierce, how does a hammer stifle discussion?

I actually forgot this was Instant Night. But why do you condone rushing the Day?

Well I never explicitly condoned it (although i will now) because it absolutely isn't rushing the day when we have about 8 hours to deadline. 8 hours is 1/9 of the day, which is approximately equivalent to hammering with a day and a half left in deadline in a 2-week deadline game.

There is seriously no need of it. The deadline hits when Vi is probably asleep, I'll be around, I can hammer then and we'll probably even get a couple of hours of twilight. I'm all for getting more discussion out of this Day, because people are being active and participative, and I want to see more of their stances before a flip to compare them to after a flip.

[fferyllt]

Pedit: The fuck you say, there's a big friggin spoiler section in my wall entitled "Buddying".

I will go back and look at it. But, you are in a somewhat unique position to see my "buddying" behaviors along with the intentions and motivations. Even when I am not a part nor likely to be a part of a nascent town bloc I do what I can to help that bloc form.

[implosion]

Hours are not fruits that the town must squeeze every little ounce of juice out of to win the game. They are tools to be used in scumhunting. It's become fairly clear (unless something very impressive happens) that hp is going to be lynched today. Ergo, those 8 hours, if you do want to squeeze every ounce of scumhunting out of them, are essentially being used "deficiently" since we would be purely scumhunting with less information than we "could" have.

Granted scumhunting is important, but I really don't see what the big deal is about 8 extra hours. I think that, with 8 hours left, those who are

going

to make their stances clear before deadline have. Sure, there's no need of a hammer, but there's also no need of those extra 8 hours.