Mini 1452 - Inevitable Mafia (Game Over)

[roflcopter]

dead game is dead. more votes for nhammen. or lets flashwagon hoopla or something.

[BROseidon]

I think nhammen is a better lynch than hoopla.

@ThAd: You>gorck>>>>CoolDoG in terms of likeliness, as sure as I can be scum was on that wagon. For letters wagon, am less sure that there was scum on it, but I think it's still more likely than not that there was scum, with gorck=Hoopla>jmo.

[RadiantCowbells]

Cooldog, why do you favour a Hoopla lynch over a Nhammen lynch?

[gorckat]

Don't remember if I posted anything that was lost.

vote: nhammen

[CooLDoG]

Cooldog, why do you favour a Hoopla lynch over a Nhammen lynch?

Gut... mostly.

Also note how we don't see much of hoopla nowadays. Try to fall under the radar??? hmmm.

[ThAdmiral]

Do people specifically think gorckat is town? I really don't see why he hasn't got any votes on him.

I'd rather lynch hoopla out of hoopla/nhammen if it does come down to those two.

[Hoopla]

Cooldog, why do you favour a Hoopla lynch over a Nhammen lynch?

Gut... mostly.

Also note how we don't see much of hoopla nowadays. Try to fall under the radar??? hmmm.

General apathy.

I'll try and make an effort soon.

[gorckat]

What's your case, Thad?

You flipped from seeing Cooldog being smart scum pushing the mason lynch to a re-read of him as town when there was no traction for a lynch on him.

You're defaulting to 'scum must have been on that wagon' after saying you would only lynch me or Cooldog.

Your 727 says that one of nhammen or I are likely scum for our positions on the DCL wagon, but you fail to include him as an option in your possible scum team.

[RadiantCowbells]

Nhammen is now at L-1. Anyone who hammers before he gets a chance to claim mason or not mason will be lynched immediately tomorrow, regardless of flip.

Gut... mostly.

Also note how we don't see much of hoopla nowadays. Try to fall under the radar??? hmmm.

That's a good observation, but I've seen fuck all from Nhammen as well. Do you not see this behaviour from him as well?

How the fuck do you not scumread Nhammen?

Do people specifically think gorckat is town? I really don't see why he hasn't got any votes on him.

I'd rather lynch hoopla out of hoopla/nhammen if it does come down to those two.

I don't specifically see Gorckat is town. He's looked scummy over the last few days, but I note that there was a point that he was my biggest townread, so I'm not voting him over Nhammen.
Regarding the lynch, why? Nhammen is the last person left on my wagon, and I would be in disbelief if there was no scum on that wagon. It's weird that there wasn't two.

Furthermore, instead of defending he's just deflecting. I still don't like Hoopla much, but Nhammen is a much better lynch today.

I think nhammen is a better lynch than hoopla.

@ThAd: You>gorck>>>>CoolDoG in terms of likeliness, as sure as I can be scum was on that wagon. For letters wagon, am less sure that there was scum on it, but I think it's still more likely than not that there was scum, with gorck=Hoopla>jmo.

There was 1000% scum on the letters wagon. TMT was obviously town, and other than Nhammen, literally every single person I have a leaning scum on was on it.

Gorckat's the only really likely scum on the DCL wagon.

Reads:

Town-
Thad
Bro
Roflcopter

Null-
Cooldog
Jmo
Hoopla

Scum-
Gorckat
Nhammen

I'm less sure that Hoopla is scum and that Cooldog is town than I was, but I'm starting to see a scum Gorckat. That would be an excellent lynch for tomorrow.


Also, I came up with an interesting theory from the votecount. In the past, I've found that scum like to spread their votes but are almost always represented on one major wagon. Between Jmo, Gorckat, and Nhammen, they are represented on EVERY SINGLE wagon in the game, but never more than two of them. It also gives a different theory behind Jmo's weird voting patterns, which I have noted but never been able to figure out a reason for.

Nhammen, claim now whether or not you're mason.

[Kitoari]

Votecount #14:
nhammen - Broseidon, roflcopter, RadiantCowbells
Hoopla - CooLDoG
Broseidon - thadmiral
roflcopter - nhammen

Not voting - jmo16mla, Hoopla, gorckat

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With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline has been extended to June 29th due to crash/the deadline getting dropped off the votecounts at some point.

[gorckat]

I voted for nhammen.

[nhammen]

you also suspected me as the third scum partner, and called me derp.

Right. I think I called half of the living player derp.

But I had the scumteam as rofl/admiral/jmo. But now I'm not sure. A ctrl-f search of each of you reveals that you didn't mention each other almost at all. However, I would have thought that if you were scum with admiral, he would have bussed you on page 4 when that wagon built on you. Instead he just ignored the wagon completely. Actually, that can still be scum. OK this team works.

Nhammen has never done anything except follow the town's opinion. He gets on the major wagons, never leading or hammering them, and has generally the same reads as the majority.

That indicates him as scum to me; I don't see any effort at all to find scum in any of his posts.

Ummm.. what? I just ISOed myself to see, and I saw multiple posts of mine that contradict your case. If you want to make a case based on not remembering any scumhunting, then you should ISO first to make sure your memory isn't faulty.

I guess my questions to people are:

1) do people think the dcl wagon was all town? if not who is scum out of me, cooldog, gork?

2) Do people think the tmt wagon was all town? If not who is scum out of bro, jmo, hoopla?

No I don't think either wagon was all town. It is possible that (2) is all town, but I don't think so. For (1) I'm leaning you, but it could be any of you 3. For (2) I'm thinking jmo especially after ISOing myself and seeing my D1 case against him.

Don't remember if I posted anything that was lost.

vote: nhammen

I think you gave a reason for your vote. Something about no real impact from me (my words, cuz I don't remember yours). I responded by saying that there are multiple players that haven't had any impact on this game, including yourself.

Do people specifically think gorckat is town? I really don't see why he hasn't got any votes on him.

I'd rather lynch hoopla out of hoopla/nhammen if it does come down to those two.

I'd hope it doesn't come down to the two of us. As for gorck, I don't have a townread on him. I think that because of my current townreads, and because of vote counts, at least one of you and gorck has to be scum.

[nhammen]

Oh and the tigers ate my vote on Admiral.
VOTE: Admiral

[nhammen]

Although, after a bit of thought, I could easily pursue a jmo wagon as well.

[jmo16mla]

I'm fine with nhammen lynch. Sid you claim?

[BROseidon]

...jmo you have been reading the game, right?

[jmo16mla]

I'm so fucking confused. Give me a second:/

[roflcopter]

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[ThAdmiral]

What's your case, Thad?

You flipped from seeing Cooldog being smart scum pushing the mason lynch to a re-read of him as town when there was no traction for a lynch on him.

You're defaulting to 'scum must have been on that wagon' after saying you would only lynch me or Cooldog.

Your 727 says that one of nhammen or I are likely scum for our positions on the DCL wagon, but you fail to include him as an option in your possible scum team.

My case is that there is likely scum on the wagon. I don't think cooldog is scum because reading over his posts his frustration at town failing seems genuine.

[CooLDoG]

Oh and the tigers ate my vote on Admiral.
VOTE: Admiral

this vote is silly.

@raidiant, yes I do find nhaman scummy for the same thing. I and perfectly okay with his lynch. However I wanted to see if anyone else was getting odd vibes from hoopla. So that si why I focused her today.

[jmo16mla]

Meh, I haven't missed much.

[BROseidon]

no hammer?

[roflcopter]

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[nhammen]

I'm fine with nhammen lynch. Sid you claim?

This looks like intent to hammer, so I will state that I am not DCL's partner. Although, I am kinda surprised at this, since an ISO and of you and ctrl-f for my name shows that you have only mentioned me twice before. So, where does this come from?

Oh and the tigers ate my vote on Admiral.
VOTE: Admiral

this vote is silly.

May I ask why?

[ThAdmiral]

I'd argue against the nhammen wagon but I don't really have any "evidence" to say he's not scum, I just really don't think he is.

The reluctance for someone to hammer could indicate there are already multiple scum on the wagon, or alternatively that scum are hesitant hammer and look bad as a result, and so are waiting for a town to hammer.