Katsuki, here's what I don't get: you state earlier in the game that you have no issues reading me (and never explain that scumread or that vote), and then suddenly decide you are going to trust Tammy's Townread on me. No questions asked, no arguments, no nothing, just limping away from a dead wagon. WTF?
1. I have a townread on Tammy.
2. I have been mostly inactive for the past year+, and I would trust a townread like Tammy on you, considering I'm sure she has far more experience playing with you.
3. I need arguments if I understand what she's saying? Ok...
4. If by limping away from a dead wagon you mean having to compromise on someone who I don't really want to lynch due to deadline then sure. But if he's flipping town there are major problems with this last line of yours in the post above.
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Katsuki, here's what I don't get: you state earlier in the game that you have no issues reading me (and never explain that scumread or that vote), and then suddenly decide you are going to trust Tammy's Townread on me. No questions asked, no arguments, no nothing, just limping away from a dead wagon. WTF?
1. I have a townread on Tammy.
2. I have been mostly inactive for the past year+, and I would trust a townread like Tammy on you, considering I'm sure she has far more experience playing with you.
3. I need arguments if I understand what she's saying? Ok...
4. If by limping away from a dead wagon you mean having to compromise on someone who I don't really want to lynch due to deadline then sure. But if he's flipping town there are major problems with this last line of yours in the post above.
Regardless of 2, you found it worth interjecting that you have no trouble reading me. Coming from someone who has barely played with me, that confidence feels out of place when you then follow Tammy's read with no further ado. You never explained that scumread on me, so no, there is no way I can analyze your read other than as how it is: a weak jump on an off with a confidence level that does not match your words. And as for 4, calling myself a dead wagon gives you problems re: me? When there is no chance in hell I'm getting lynched? Yeeeah no. I see your lynch chain. It's entertaining but... nope, no can do, sorry about that.
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I really should have pushed this yesterDay. Sorry guys.
VOTE: fferyllt
Oversoul is also in my list of suspects. I really need to figure out Katsuki and SOO. Someone on the Katsuki wagon (this means you, Zdenek) explain to me why you were voting her.
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Okay I see. I was thinking ffery was the most likely to go through if not Katsuki. Didn't forsee it veering onto implosion butttttt y'know things happen. I had a fairly strong townread on implosion anyway.
I didn't realize quite how close deadline was last night when I posted -- thought I'd have time to check in this morning.
I feel like I've maybe missed some posts where this wagon started.
In post 1207, Amrun wrote:Why DIDN'T you push it yesterday, Syryana?
A combination of a splitting headache and me rethinking a lot of things.
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
Well, you were right if you decided not to push it because you think I am town.
If you now think it would be bad for me to be alive near endgame, then you are also probably right, because I am going to remain pretty lynchable, I think.
Amid the pressure of great events, a general principle gives no help.
I decided not to push it because I was reevaluating you after the Mattp/hp flips.
I have also decided that I was initially correct.
Why aren't you trying to find scum?
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
My town read on Matt had nothing to do with his self meta, but on my own read of him. I also think what he was saying was TRUE (that it would make him a sitting duck to do that as scum), whereas Tierce was saying that something made her town that DIDN'T actually make her town, which I found disingenuous. (when we talked about it she even agreed but then later went back to saying it made her town). i I got a little paranoid but I decided it WAS just that: paranoia and stuck with my Tierce townread. And quite honestly had Matt survived very long my paranoia would have acted up on him, too, most likely. He's not the type of player most scumteams leave alive for long.
And I didn't expect people to follow me by voting ffery early, and I never suggested that. Don't put words into my mouth. The only person I was concerned about it influencing was a potential scum-Syryana. If his read was genuine, it wouldnt matter who talked about it or voted it. A townsperson with a convicted read will attack his opponent early on in this context. A scum player might do the same if he knows townspeople (like me, but who it was was arbitrary) are willing to vote with him, but might hang back if he's unsure.
It all had to do with his REASONS for suspecting ffery. He was "most" concerned with her superficial read on hp leaves, and when I noted that an hp leaves flip would be relevant to her alignment, he hammered. But then when hp flipped town -- which SHOULD have made him go "aha!" or at least address it -- he backed off and played it cautious. It's instant tonight so he couldn't even have gotten distracted/forgotten.
I don't understand why. I'm still waiting for an explanation.
I feel pretty confident that one of ffery/Syryana is scum and this issue is really at the heart of which of them is. So muting the information I could garner from his behavior is really just shooting myself in the foot. It's a unique situation.
P-edit: well the above is a pretty good summary of what I'm thinking.
I need to think about why tierce might be killed, but she was generally townread and that's probably a good enough reason. Even with a few dissenters, a lynch wasn't getting traction. But still.... Still thinking about this.
Oh okay yeah I would have had time to check in this morning if no one had hammered. Phew, I thought I couldn't add at all for a minute.
P-edit: Well, I assumed after the whole dash thing. Why do you "think" you're going to vote me? Either do it or do not it. You haven't even expressed suspicion of me besides establishing that I did not, in fact, know your character which obviously isn't a scum tell. Enlighten me.
That does remind me I'm not voting, though. And syryana's explanation is pretty bad. Flip flop ftw.
I am still trying to figure this out, hence no vote atm. I've not expressed suspicion of you based pretty much entirely on pjo. But, the concerns others have had about your play haven't gone unnoticed.
Amid the pressure of great events, a general principle gives no help.
In post 1213, Amrun wrote:It all had to do with his REASONS for suspecting ffery. He was "most" concerned with her superficial read on hp leaves, and when I noted that an hp leaves flip would be relevant to her alignment, he hammered. But then when hp flipped town -- which SHOULD have made him go "aha!" or at least address it -- he backed off and played it cautious. It's instant tonight so he couldn't even have gotten distracted/forgotten.
I don't understand why. I'm still waiting for an explanation.
An hp[leaves] scumflip would have made me more convinced. I didn't like fery's scumread on him because it was superficial and felt fabricated. Fery-scum is (I think) too cautious to pick a random townsperson and make such a terrible case she can't back up. When she was scum she preferred to townhunt and kill scum by POE, largely because she's awkward at legitimate scumhunting when she's scum in a single team setup. The hp[leaves] scumread and consequent townflip threw me, because I figured she was going for the easy shitty looking bus rather than a terrible read on an arbitrary townie, which is obvious and terrible (two things fery is not).
I have since decided that I was initially correct in my fery-scumread because I realized that in this game she's doing exactly that: getting a bunch of townreads to snuggle up to and then getting on lynches by POE. The simple fact she's not even attempting to scumhunt makes that obvious.
I did not get distracted or forget; it took me a day or so to wrestle with it and various MeatWorld concerns prevented me from following up on it before deadline.
In the timeless words of a great and revered man: "Blow it out your ass."
A hydra of Rift Adrift, Oil Tycoons and Trust Fund. "In the Oil Rift we Trust."
Oh. See... Ugh see that explanation makes sense. I didn't realize you thought they were scum together due to it. I mean THAT doesn't make sense to me, but given that was your metric...
Okay yeah going back to where I was yesterday. Her bizarre divorcing from responsibility of her read on me is terrible, and Syryana makes some sort of sense now.
In post 1213, Amrun wrote:It all had to do with his REASONS for suspecting ffery. He was "most" concerned with her superficial read on hp leaves, and when I noted that an hp leaves flip would be relevant to her alignment, he hammered. But then when hp flipped town -- which SHOULD have made him go "aha!" or at least address it -- he backed off and played it cautious. It's instant tonight so he couldn't even have gotten distracted/forgotten.
I don't understand why. I'm still waiting for an explanation.
An hp[leaves] scumflip would have made me more convinced. I didn't like fery's scumread on him because it was superficial and felt fabricated. Fery-scum is (I think) too cautious to pick a random townsperson and make such a terrible case she can't back up. When she was scum she preferred to townhunt and kill scum by POE, largely because she's awkward at legitimate scumhunting when she's scum in a single team setup. The hp[leaves] scumread and consequent townflip threw me, because I figured she was going for the easy shitty looking bus rather than a terrible read on an arbitrary townie, which is obvious and terrible (two things fery is not).
I have since decided that I was initially correct in my fery-scumread because I realized that in this game she's doing exactly that: getting a bunch of townreads to snuggle up to and then getting on lynches by POE. The simple fact she's not even attempting to scumhunt makes that obvious.
I did not get distracted or forget; it took me a day or so to wrestle with it and various MeatWorld concerns prevented me from following up on it before deadline.
Some games, my scumdar is pretty useless. This is one of those games. I'll hit the isos again sometime today.
Amid the pressure of great events, a general principle gives no help.
implosion (6) ~ sword_of_omens, Tammy, Syryana, fferyllt, Katsuki, implosion
