Open 506: Pick Your Power X/Y, Game Over

[Your Troubles Will Cease]

I'm alright with that.

[Alabaska J]

its clear to me that sakura was the vig shot because of her actions yesterday. also, just because i was not voting deckard yesterday does not make me scum, otherwise why not go for ppp as well? i'm glad Siveure is so quick to OMGUS and sheep mutley, who is

obviously

the best player here and someone who should be followed :/

as for the massclaim, i have no experience in Pick Your Power, so i defer to others who have played before. would like to hear ppp's opinion.

[Alabaska J]

also, reading

deckard

's iso, he has some interesting interactions with YTWC:

RVS votes him, a common distancing tactic for noobscum (i even did it in my first game as scum i believe)
Addresses a clearly facetious policy lynch post for more distancing
Here and here he continues the line of questioning for no real reason
This right here seems like a key distancing post: he acknowledges that his vote is RVS but keeps it on (theoretically to claim later on that he didn't remove it because of suspicions early on)

Your Troubles Will Cease

Null leaning scum. The scum bit is purely based on gut, which I don’t like but can’t ignore at this stage and based on

[#30]

&

[#44]

which seriously reeks.
<snip>
UNVOTE: Your Troubles Will Cease
VOTE: Mutleyddmc

I don't like Muttle's behaviour and I much prefer voting for him than to leave my RVS vote on YTWC though I have a slight scum read on him too, but based on gut as you have read above.

interestingly enough, he has a "gut read" of slight scum on YTWC because of the RVS vote he put on

Belisarius

, although i think YTWC's vote and explanation are not really scummy at all. he then unvotes YTWC and votes Mutley, who everyone at this point had written off as simply an anti-town poor player trying to WIFOM his way through the first few days by not really contributing anything but as a result not doing anything scummy (a more common tactic than you might think for players who don't want to get nightkilled by maf or lynched). seems like a safe place to move your vote don't you think? noobscum indeed. looks like textbook distancing right here so far. after this, he comes under fire from Mutley and shrinks immediately, then hammers himself instead of claiming.

interestingly enough, if deckard had claimed, we probably would have spared him, lynched sakura, directed his vig kill to someone, and if they were town he could have shot them and gotten off scott free, if they were scum he could've shot a townie and claimed a redirect (a likely scenario given that scum knows his target) or killed his partner, guaranteeing him heavy town points by a lot of people here. this theoretically could have been quite a victory for scum, netting them possibly as many as two more town deaths and subtracting a scum death, as the shot that killed

sakura

could have hit another townie as well. we are very lucky he gave up and hammered himself (certainly a strange play).

i'm gonna look over YTWC's posts now. more will come later

[Alabaska J]

just realized i used bold red in that last post. i'll refrain from bolding the colors from now on. sorry about that jennifer

[Elyse]

What was the point of saying what could have happened had deckard claimed? Just looks like fluff to me.

[pieceofpecanpie]

If you're going to critique that, Elyse, at least tackle the post as a whole. There was more to it than just

that

paragraph.

I've got to read Alabaska again, because voting him now would be a complete 180 on my previous read.

@Alabaska

On massclaiming, I've never experienced it before in PYP. Seems like a hideous idea to me, especially taking into consideration who scum targeted.

On that note,

VOTE: Smudger

Something about him making a slow sheep/bus vote on Deckard right before the self-hammer, something about his extended interest in Belisarius' theory and seeing Belisarius get killed last night, something about Belisarius being

second

in the draft order and Smudger being first. It just makes me want to park my vote here for now.

[Mutleyddmc]

Because it doesn't hurt in any way.

Yes yes it does. You don't out an option. That way if scum claim the other one they have been outed

[Mutleyddmc]

its clear to me that sakura was the vig shot because of her actions yesterday. also, just because i was not voting deckard yesterday does not make me scum, otherwise why not go for ppp as well? i'm glad Siveure is so quick to OMGUS and sheep mutley, who is

obviously

the best player here and someone who should be followed :/

as for the massclaim, i have no experience in Pick Your Power, so i defer to others who have played before. would like to hear ppp's opinion.

Yer no need to get all sarcy

[Alabaska J]

What was the point of saying what could have happened had deckard claimed? Just looks like fluff to me.

for his benefit should he read from the dead. maybe i should have made that clear. it presents a great learning opportunity for a new player who may very well have had his first PR scum role.

@Alabaska

On massclaiming, I've never experienced it before in PYP. Seems like a hideous idea to me, especially taking into consideration who scum targeted.

ok this was my first reaction. Siveure, is the reason you brought it up

really

because you just "felt like it"? that sounds like a horrible reason.

[Mutleyddmc]

Oh and mass claim right now is a seriously bad idea. And I'm normally in favour of mass claims. We've already outed the universal role

[Smudger]

My weekend so my input will be down.

I acknoeledge Pecans vote and will answer any questions come Sunday. Also see the call for mass claim. This is my first time on this set up so dont know how it would affect the game or not. Probably not and tbh I have no problem with it in particular as I am rightly where many are focused as I got first pick. Also Pecan is correct to look at me with regard to my position in the draft, but what I can Say is the reasoning why works both ways And it is just as likely that my position would be used to set me up so to speak, and look Forward also to hearing from all but Especially Yesterday, on what he may have for us?

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

its clear to me that sakura was the vig shot because of her actions yesterday. also, just because i was not voting deckard yesterday does not make me scum, otherwise why not go for ppp as well?

anyway, Sakura seems more like scum to me than Deckard to be honest, also Mutley had already voted deckard so i don't know why people freaked out. i'd rather lynch Sakura since she's being blatantly anti-town in giving up. Deckard may have also been in another game/left the website open so the whole following-the-daychat thing is a little fishy to me. also i would expect scum to pretend not to know about something the minute it is proposed, that's just the right play. i also am not as confident about the scumslip with deckard (i would probably use conditional phrasing as well seeing as not everyone knows my alignment). i would be willing to lynch deckard though just to get the game going since the case against him certainly has its merits and a large portion of the town seems to think he is scum

Okay, this paragraph is what I was referring to with the whole "lynching sakura over deckard."

i'm glad Siveure is so quick to OMGUS and sheep mutley, who is

obviously

the best player here and someone who should be followed :/

LOL. Sure is quick omgus, as it comes very quick in the day, even if it's not the same day. Sure is sheeping mutley, as I voted after him even though I supplied the reasons.

Also, alabaska, why attack our votes instead of focusing on the case?

Okay, so deckard's rvs suspect was YTWC. What makes him more likely scum than town beyond this?

You seem to have only gone for stuff that's deckard pushing or scumreading ytwc, and you missed him defending him in 113. Given that that post was addressed to you I don't know why you omit this.

PEdit: Yeaaaah. And we're only catching them out with universal backup if they're dumbasses and can't figure it out AND with that decide to fakeclaim a role they don't have. Yeah right. I really think you're overstating this.

I think beli could have gotten shot b/c scum were scared of the driver method .

ok this was my first reaction. Siveure, is the reason you brought it up

really

because you just "felt like it"? that sounds like a horrible reason.

And um, I kinda don't want to claim, so yeah lets not massclaim. I suggested it as I want to work out what everyone's role is and yeah we lynched one scum yesterday so we're kinda advantageous and there's a couple roles which are way likelier town than scum so yaaay. Alabaska, I have no idea why you're asking me this, unless it's rhetorical and I don't trust rhetorical even though that's probably very hypocritical. If I'm lying about it, do you really think I'm going to crack under one question?

[Mutleyddmc]

Any help to scum is still help. You didnt figure it out straight away so don't assume scum would

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Yeah but we have how long until it becomes relevant?

[Mutleyddmc]

Well someone could have fake claimed role cop.

[pieceofpecanpie]

I don't think that's an important point, since we shouldn't be roleclaiming anyway.

[Mutleyddmc]

I know. But say we put someone up to l-1 and they claimed role cop. We could have got them.

[pieceofpecanpie]

Best to put these dreams behind you now. There, there, we'll just kill 'em the 'ol fashion way: stringin' 'em up.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Yeah... if you're fakeclaming you'd probably do so with at least some thought for it, and first thing is "don't claim rolecop."

Let's not get too hung over on this. Unless you want to lynch me for it, in which case you can go on about it as long as you like, you idiots.

[Alabaska J]

Yeah... if you're fakeclaming you'd probably do so with at least some thought for it, and first thing is "don't claim rolecop."

Let's not get too hung over on this. Unless you want to lynch me for it, in which case you can go on about it as long as you like, you idiots.

if you put too much thought into it it is obvious you are fakeclaiming

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

How is that relevant at all?

[Xdaamno]

Fabulous scumhunting by Yesterday yesterday. I'll be looking at pecan and Sakura harder today.

(If we massclaim, we should do it from the bottom of the ballot upwards.)

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Loldanfailed.

[Elyse]

Fabulous scumhunting by Yesterday yesterday. I'll be looking at pecan and Sakura harder today.

(If we massclaim, we should do it from the bottom of the ballot upwards.)

Sakura was vig-killed.

But obviously you wouldn't know that as scum.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Yeah. Scum has less reason to look at day opening phase than town, so I think this makes him sliiightly more likely to be scum than town.