Mini 1452 - Inevitable Mafia (Game Over)

[gorckat]

How are you not payong enough attentionto remember yates fake guilties?

[CooLDoG]

Yeah, hoop today. After looking at the wagons, gorck doesn't look o hot. He has basically been on every single wagon at some point or another.

[Hoopla]

i'm with gorc going after me which seems to be the consensus.

[RadiantCowbells]

@Jmo, Broseidon at no point ever gave serious consideration to the possibility of DCLXVI not being town.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm hesitant to place this vote because I have a gut suspicion that JMO might be right.

Who is down to lynch Gorckat today?

[BROseidon]

Yeah but I knew I wasn't the other mason

RC can you just hammer this shit already?

pedit: gorck is honestly my 3rd choice at this point behind Hoopla and ThAd. If rofl is scum I will berate myself for being a moron.

[RadiantCowbells]

Eh, regardless of what Gorckat flipped I'd still jump on Hoopla next.

VOTE: Hoopla

[jmo16mla]

That was btilliant. Brilliant play.

[Kitoari]

Votecount #17:
thadmiral - jmo16mla,

Hoopla - roftcopter, gorckat, Broseidon, CooLDoG, RadiantCowbells

Not voting - Hoopla, thadmiral

Hoopla has been lynched. She was a Townie.

Night 5 has begun. Please send in all relevant actions by July 9th.

(Yates thing fixed. I appreciate you all bearing with me... not sure I should really start this up again.)

[Kitoari]

It is now Day 5.

jmo16mla has been killed. He was a Mason.

Not Voting - RadiantCowbells, ThAdmiral, CooLDoG, roftlcopter, gorckat, BROseidon

With 6 alive, It takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is July 24th.

[RadiantCowbells]

I've been looking at this for a while and I don't really favour a Gorckat lynch right now.
Let's get Broseidon.

Radiant is town.

Discuss.

Absolutely maybe.

This sentence ticked me off a long long time ago, and when I was revisiting Broseidon it caught my attention again.
Sarcastic response to a comment meant to generate town discussion? Don't like it at all.

Yeah but I knew I wasn't the other mason

RC can you just hammer this shit already?

Doubly bad. Tries to stifle discussion, and the first sentence is a non-denial denial of being scum.
I wanted to switch votes yesterday to him except I thought it was a bus and this was to gain towncred on his teammate's lynch.

DBK already covered why I took it as a joke, hence a joke response.

Now on a more serious note, am I the only one bothered by:

Way to throw a pal under the bus then, bro

Every real town knew he wasn't actually claiming scum.
This is basically trying to look town while not scumhunting in the least.

DCLXVI improperly representing Rob's argument and sheeping onto letters as a result seems too reckless to make me think that it's scum motivated. Don't like JMO's shitty meta argument and AtE, though. Very defensive.

VOTE: JMO

Fine. Really nothing wrong with this or his vote, except stuff that will come later of the position he's taking.

@Rob: What about his post seemed serious, though? I read it as a joke, which is why I'm confused as to why you interpreted it as serious (and why you assign this reading of his response to JMO in your points against him).

I am not in any hurry to lynch a mason claim. That would be really fucking stupid. If we have reason to suspect that the claim is false later, we can lynch then. Fuck, a mason coming forward and saying "he is not a mason" would be worth it if this were a fake claim; I'd trade a mason for scum.

This is what made me think he was the mason. That bit at the end was so blatantly obvious that there was no reason for it; obviously a mason would come forward if it was fake?
More useless shit.

I think a mason number would be good, but not their identities. DBK pointed out the use of having named townies in LyLo, but that's only true if we know how many masons there are as to prevent mason fakeclaims when all the masons are taken out.

The way this reads to me is that he's trying to make it look like he's the partner subtly pushing DCL to claim a number of masons.

Okay, now I'm comfortable taking DCL's claim at face value. Obviously will reconsider if information pops up that contradicts what he's given, but what he's given makes sense.

Really hate what RC did there. Makes 0 fucking sense in terms of town motivation, but also little sense in terms of scum motivation since scum should not be willing to so blatantly trade one person for a mason. Same thing with me wanting to think Cooldog is town - the move is just too blatantly idiotic for me to believe that scum would pull something like that. Does anyone have scum meta on either Cooldog or RC? Do they tend to play very boldly in the day phase as scum?

Again, he's OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO LOOK LIKE A POTENTIAL MASON CLAIM.
Jmo was on the down low about it. Broseidon is trying to look like maximum obvious mason partner so he can come fakeclaim it later.


Don't need to extend this wall anymore.

VOTE: Broseidon


Another big one for me is.

Can we just get a flip so that all this fucking WIFOM can stop. I don't have the energy for this shit.

This looks to me like he's worried about a multiball or some shit. It doesn't look town at all.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, saying to lynch ThAd is idiotic and it looks like he's just positioning himself where he won't be called out for causing or being on a mislynch.

[jmo16mla]

Fucking idiots.

[BROseidon]

I've been looking at this for a while and I don't really favour a Gorckat lynch right now.
Let's get Broseidon.

Radiant is town.

Discuss.

Absolutely maybe.

This sentence ticked me off a long long time ago, and when I was revisiting Broseidon it caught my attention again.
Sarcastic response to a comment meant to generate town discussion? Don't like it at all.

Yeah but I knew I wasn't the other mason

RC can you just hammer this shit already?

Doubly bad. Tries to stifle discussion, and the first sentence is a non-denial denial of being scum.
I wanted to switch votes yesterday to him except I thought it was a bus and this was to gain towncred on his teammate's lynch.

DBK already covered why I took it as a joke, hence a joke response.

Now on a more serious note, am I the only one bothered by:

Way to throw a pal under the bus then, bro

Every real town knew he wasn't actually claiming scum.
This is basically trying to look town while not scumhunting in the least.

DCLXVI improperly representing Rob's argument and sheeping onto letters as a result seems too reckless to make me think that it's scum motivated. Don't like JMO's shitty meta argument and AtE, though. Very defensive.

VOTE: JMO

Fine. Really nothing wrong with this or his vote, except stuff that will come later of the position he's taking.

@Rob: What about his post seemed serious, though? I read it as a joke, which is why I'm confused as to why you interpreted it as serious (and why you assign this reading of his response to JMO in your points against him).

I am not in any hurry to lynch a mason claim. That would be really fucking stupid. If we have reason to suspect that the claim is false later, we can lynch then. Fuck, a mason coming forward and saying "he is not a mason" would be worth it if this were a fake claim; I'd trade a mason for scum.

This is what made me think he was the mason. That bit at the end was so blatantly obvious that there was no reason for it; obviously a mason would come forward if it was fake?
More useless shit.

I think a mason number would be good, but not their identities. DBK pointed out the use of having named townies in LyLo, but that's only true if we know how many masons there are as to prevent mason fakeclaims when all the masons are taken out.

The way this reads to me is that he's trying to make it look like he's the partner subtly pushing DCL to claim a number of masons.

Okay, now I'm comfortable taking DCL's claim at face value. Obviously will reconsider if information pops up that contradicts what he's given, but what he's given makes sense.

Really hate what RC did there. Makes 0 fucking sense in terms of town motivation, but also little sense in terms of scum motivation since scum should not be willing to so blatantly trade one person for a mason. Same thing with me wanting to think Cooldog is town - the move is just too blatantly idiotic for me to believe that scum would pull something like that. Does anyone have scum meta on either Cooldog or RC? Do they tend to play very boldly in the day phase as scum?

Again, he's OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO LOOK LIKE A POTENTIAL MASON CLAIM.
Jmo was on the down low about it. Broseidon is trying to look like maximum obvious mason partner so he can come fakeclaim it later.


Don't need to extend this wall anymore.

VOTE: Broseidon


Another big one for me is.

Can we just get a flip so that all this fucking WIFOM can stop. I don't have the energy for this shit.

This looks to me like he's worried about a multiball or some shit. It doesn't look town at all.

I'll write a response to this when I'm not getting ready for work.

[gorckat]

Thad
Bro
rofl

I have been considering rofl town, so I expect our last two to flip as Thad and Bro.

Unless CD is a godfather and/or scum have daytalk (meaning RC may have been coached heavily), I would consider them off the table.

6 alive, four to lynch (shouldn't be five)- Unlikely to have any of Thad, Bro, rofl and myself to self-vote, so perhaps RC and CD can hold their votes and we can avoid quickhammers for the win?

[RadiantCowbells]

I have information that I can't give at this point in time that suggests CoolDog is 100% not godfather.

TBH, I still think it's you/Broseidon but I'm happier with my vote on Bro than you right now.

[gorckat]

o_O

When do you think you might give this info.

We hit scum today and you or CD get popped.

That info is either moot (CD dead) or unavailable (you dead).

[RadiantCowbells]

What I've told you is enough. If I die, don't lynch CoolDog tomorrow no matter what.

[gorckat]

Fuck it. Let's ride the dragon.

What do you think of you and CD holding votes until it's clearer where we are targeting so there isn't a quickhammer?

[BROseidon]

Sarcastic response to a comment meant to generate town discussion? Don't like it at all.

Sarcasm is not a scumtell.

Doubly bad. Tries to stifle discussion, and the first sentence is a non-denial denial of being scum.
I wanted to switch votes yesterday to him except I thought it was a bus and this was to gain towncred on his teammate's lynch.

Because there was a lot of discussion going on at that point.

Every real town knew he wasn't actually claiming scum.
This is basically trying to look town while not scumhunting in the least.

Because there was so much more substantial information to work off of at that point.

And yes I was trying to make myself seem more mason-like in an attempt to draw out a scumkill if the scum decided to go for a DCL kill night 1 and then dig for the other mason before he claimed.

his looks to me like he's worried about a multiball or some shit. It doesn't look town at all.

Um...

1) If I am scum and I was concerned about multiball, it would mean that my scumteam would HAVE to consist of just me/nhammen. 9/2/2 and 9/3/1 are not balanced setups. So either you think I'm an idiot or your logic is inconsistent.

2) The single kill on Rob night one would not have made any amount of sense. Sure, it would make sense for a mafia team to also shoot Rob in an attempt to invalidate your claim, but why would an SK do that as well? An SK would want to start thinning the crowd.

Also, does anything in how I pushed nhammen look like a bus to you, seeing as I was one of the driving forces behind that lynch.

[BROseidon]

Also I am fairly certain that the last two scum are gorck/ThAd. I will be willing to lynch either of them today.

If anyone suggests we lynch rofl I will yell at you. A lot.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay, I'll bite.

What's your case for ThAd being scum?

[BROseidon]

He's less town than rofl and I don't think you are pulling any sort of gambit.

Seriously, he was on the early DCL wagon pushing for a quicklynch and he hasn't had any sort of original thought all game. After the mason claim he backs off immediately and tunnels CD through day 2, at which point he jumps onto gorck with the following sequence:

The last one is harder to read, but it seems pretty clear to me that there is scum among gorckat and cooldog, and at least one in bro/jmo/yates/hoop.

1) Notice how that last group is 3 conftown and me (and I know that I am town). That means that, as a bus, this is a really smart bus because it pushes town to start searching for scum in a group of four that very likely included the mason and a group that, given a single scum in that group, would actually be LESS scum-dense than the overall game, so as scum he could potentially push for 3-4 mislynches in that group by only giving up gorck. Gorck wasn't even really an option on the table, so he probably wasn't even going to have to shed gorck for another few days.

2) ThAd then drops his CooLDoG read "on reread" once it became apparently that CD wasn't getting lynched.

ThAd then can't decide whether to deathtunnel me or gorck, so he just sort of wavers back and forth in who he wants to deathtunnel. Oh, and he didn't think nhammen was scum when the guy at that point was pretty damn scum.

And at the end of it all he hasn't pushed a lynch to the point that it actually has happened, despite the fact that he's been "sure" that gorck is scum for the past few days.

[CooLDoG]

Fuck it. Let's ride the dragon.

What do you think of you and CD holding votes until it's clearer where we are targeting so there isn't a quickhammer?

100% agree with this.

with that said though, I like a gorc lynch right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Okay, bro.

Why do you have a town read on Roflcoptor?