So right now you think Kid A was bussing but who do you think the last person was?In post 546, RadiantCowbells wrote:I think the mafia came to the same conclusions. It follows that they would both try to bus him for towncred.
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“Leftover lady, let alone the strongest to be subdued.
If I only had the magic key that would unlock the realms to the plateau of the highest me.
Even though I’ve been badly bruised, living in a house to become a popular muse.”
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o yeah i forgot you said that *facepalm*In post 551, RadiantCowbells wrote:...Smudger?
it's 2AM give me a break :P
I don't understand why Smudger would have necessarily voted NTP over Kid A though when he could have just waited it out (IIRC he already said he most likely wasn't going to be there by deadline so it wouldn't have been out of the ordinary).“Leftover lady, let alone the strongest to be subdued.
If I only had the magic key that would unlock the realms to the plateau of the highest me.
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I am town I will lynch scum, I gave enough warning, if that is scummy to say that then fine, but it is what it is, the truth...Now Cowbells you are still not changing my opinion here, and I will add where was my vote when I moved it to NTP? and what was my stance?In post 556, Om of the Nom wrote:I don't understand why Smudger would have necessarily voted NTP over Kid A though when he could have just waited it out (IIRC he already said he most likely wasn't going to be there by deadline so it wouldn't have been out of the ordinary)."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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In post 24, NotThePope wrote:So you call him out for calling out an FoS in RVS? You said it yourself, people do silly things during RVS. Most of Bub's posting HAS looked like jokes. Not buddying.
On that note, I want to get a wagon going
VOTE: RadiantCowbells
Lets see where this one takes us
these are the only times NTP mentions Bub at all on day one: a defense of his clearly-not-a-joke vote on me over the confusion of whether or not my FoS was real. also, note the distancing of Cowbells thrown in for good measure. he avoids talking about bub for the rest of the day, most likely to prevent links between him and his partner being seen, since bub defends him wholeheartedly you'd think he'd at least throw out a post his way at some pointIn post 44, NotThePope wrote:
First post during RVS stage, looks to me like a sarcastic response.In post 12, Bub Bidderskins wrote:Vote: Alabaska J
The FoS is completely unsubstantiated and useless.
"Silly" again, makes it sound joking. Attacking him over a "silly FoS" doesn't sound like a joke to anyone else, especially during RVS? I'm standing by that point, looks to me like a joke.In post 20, Bub Bidderskins wrote:I'm attacking them for making a silly FOS, not because it was on you.
Then again, people here are sooooo serious it gets boring after a while.
Wheeeeeeee Radiant just OMGUS'd us tooo yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
How can you say in your right mind those are serious posts whatsoever, especially given the time period they were posted
Generic you did the vote method wrong js
Also if you've seen me play you know I'm mucho de paranoia
Weak townread on absta thus far, flip side for radiant.
Cowbells, NTP DID want people to vote Kid A. i don't think both of Kid A and NTP are scum, and since NTP was, i'm leaning more toward poor town play by Kid A. he especially seemed townier to my gut when he was on the chopping block.
VOTE: Bub Budderskins,FoS: Radiant CowebellsShowConcussed by a poorly constructed title - how ironic. - Erg0
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I don't think scum Bub would defend NTPthatwholeheartedly, even after the intent to hammer,andafter the hammer he still questioned the hammer vote by Smudger. There was a very good chance NTP was going to be lynched, which he was. Doing what Bub did was literally throwing himself out on the spotlight for a lynch on day 2 if NTP flipped scum.
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is he? why wouldn't people make the same argument you are making? i would think that what he did is a legitimate strategy for scum, and it doesn't change my opinion. your argument accounts to mostly WIFOM.In post 565, yessiree wrote:I don't think scum Bub would defend NTPthatwholeheartedly, even after the intent to hammer,andafter the hammer he still questioned the hammer vote by Smudger. There was a very good chance NTP was going to be lynched, which he was. Doing what Bub did was literally throwing himself out on the spotlight for a lynch on day 2 if NTP flipped scum.
Why ignore the possibility of misplay/misread on a town's part?ShowConcussed by a poorly constructed title - how ironic. - Erg0
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On that yessiree, if a player spent a lot of effort stopping a player getting lynched, and then when the vote got hammered he went very quiet on the subject... When the player who was lynched flipped town what would you make of the sudden silence on the matter?
To me IF bub was mafia he would have to keep up the pretence that we just lynched town, because it would give away that he knew otherwise. And IF smudger was scum as one theory speculates, what better way to distance yourself from the other teammate?
All IFs though, and as I think has been pointed out such a blatant defence of a player that turned out to be scum doesn't seem like normal scum play... I'm trying to determine if it was a double bluff though. His opening and only post on day 2 seems bad as a start point, I want to hear more from him.-
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Given NTP's flip, Smudger is very likely town. Personally, I also think Kid A is town based off of his support of the NTP wagon.
Cowbells could be scum bussing a partner early and then trying to defend him when he was actually getting threatened with a lynch.
Om of the Nom is prob town given his attacks on NTP throughout the day.ShowTotal: 17/15/1
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But that's my point yessiree.In post 570, yessiree wrote:pp: @ generic: Bub did attack Smudger's hammer vote, in #497, and #499, would a scum player, knowing that his partner just got lynched, still uphold that defiance of an attitude?
Say it was me defending NTP so aggressively. Suddenly he is hammered and I stop dead all my defensive comments. NTP flips scum, what do you make of my reaction?
Good scum should know not to drop something just because they know the outcome, that's waaaay too obvious.
Bub, you have told us who you think is town based on yesterday. But cowbells, someone you just identified now as a potential suspect, claims all remaining mafia were on that NTP wagon.
Since you don't agree with that, do you think ANY mafia were on the wagon? Bear in mind you were one of five pushing the kid A wagon so it wasnt an obviously scummy wagon, even if I don't get it.
If cowbells is one, who would be your other biggest suspect right now?
For me bub you are still a suspect due to suddenly just naming town players in your opinion. That feels like mafia trying not to press any opinions too hard right now.
Smudger was an interesting choice for suspicion but he did give plenty of warning to the hammer and the way he was leaning with the wagons.
Cowbells does look bad from day 1, but his day 2 defence has been pretty good. The stubbornness to return to the kid A wagon feels very town with the subsequent explanation.
Om is probing again with questions, seems to be honest in his reactions to asking questions already answered but did feel like he was fishing earlier and ignored me when I questioned it.
Kid A seemed town to me on day 1, the main points against him ft like a misrep of his posts. Kid A I would like your reads on other players please too.
Yessiree has seemed to be keen to find town theory to reactions of people which is sort of null for me, but if it leads to him offering some suspects I get the logic of his current posts. Will need to look back on his day 1 as I don't know much about his posting...
Will look at the others but these are the main posters of day 2 so far, will put a t/s list together as day 2 goes on...
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