Open 510: DUCK DUCK GOOSE- SCUM WIN!!

[Ms Marangal]

Vote Count 1.7

Voting:

Generic (3)

: Mutleyddmc, Sound of Silence, D3f3nd3r

Sakura Hana(3)

: TheIrishPope, Karnage, TaskMaster

Mutleyddmc(1)

:, NotMara

Task Master (1)

:Voodoo Lady

Not voting

: Sakura Hana, Generic, Siverure DtTrikyp, Treble

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is 7/24/2013 4:30 GMT (That's (expired on 2013-07-24 08:30:00))

[TheIrishPope]

UNVOTE:

[Treble]

why are there ducklings on the bottom of each page but not at the top? definition of sadness!

[1]

[Generic]

Hate to interrupt your bandwagoning, but Taskmaster's scum.

Take a gander at 156-- the second and third bullet points in particular.

2) I think the case against Generic is crap, but I'm not dismissing he can be scum.

This seems alright at first glance. He disagrees with the points NotMara and co. brought up, but he still thinks Generic is scummy for different reasons.

The problem with this point is-- beyond the passive-aggression of voting for someone then saying that you're "not dismissing he can be scum"-- the terrible attempt to distance himself from NotMara's argument. Which is plain outright ridiculous because in 149, he brought up practically all of the points NotMara made against Generic in his first post. Let's go over those, shall we?

• 1) NotMara calls out Generic for being overly defensive. Taskmaster criticizes Generic for being "defensive as hell for one post made by NotMara" in 149, and later claims that "being defensive clearly indicates you have something to hide" in 155 to solidify his read.
  2) NotMara calls out Generic for tossing around his vote willy-nilly during RVS. Taskmaster complains about Generic's vote changing-- "Seriously, we do not need 3 RVS votes."
  3) NotMara calls out Generic for his reaction to the fake doc claims. Taskmaster calls out Generic's reaction to the fake doc claims.

These were the three tenets of NotMara's case, and Taskmaster's problems with Generic's actions fall in line with that. His desire to distance himself from the other cases against Generic strikes me as a conscious attempt to avoid being accused of bandwagoning.

The icing on the cake is his most recent post, 236.

VOTE: Sakura

TERRIBLE response. Looks like scum who knows they're in trouble and buddies someone who presents a legitimate case.

3) I think Sakura is town.

People who deserve votes: Generic, Muttley, TIP

Huh? You had Sakura as a townread before, then suddenly do a 180 with all of one line of justification? You had three other people you thought deserved posts earlier, but all of them seem to have dropped off your lists for some reason. I wonder why? Oh right-- they don't have major wagons forming on them right now.

Taskmaster is being blatantly opportunistic and deserves much, much more scrutiny.

VOTE: Taskmaster

I misjudged you earlier in the game voodoo lady when I thought you were joining the push on me over nothing. But this is a very good case, and as always the right to reply is important.
Some excellent points made, let's see what taskmasters defense to this will be.

You wanna tango? Bring it on.

Ok, acknowledges there is a case against them, must be a marker post to give a strong comeback.

First 2 quotes were me, last was the other head. We don't agree on everything, but we do agree your case is bad and should feel bad.

l0l

So a hydra hiding behind multiplayer setup to excuse all inconsistencies in their comments. That's the whole defense.
This is why I don't like the idea of hydras, but at least some of them make it clear when they are the different users talking.

Not at all convinced you have a defense for that case, and earlier you pulled a similar trick to Hana in misrepresenting me to further push my buttons.

vote taskmaster

[Treble]

Is mafia innocent until proven guilty?

Or the other way around???

[1]

[D3f3nd3r]

Opinion on hydrae: If the other players can tell that the player is a hydra by their posting, not including, signatures, there is a problem.

Starting to like Generic a bit more.

Unvote

Treble, why do you care?

[Sound of Silence]

So I finally got to talk with fery yesterday

We both agree that NotMara, VL, and defender is town.
Fery said she played with scum TIP before and said that this isn't scum TIP.
If we vote mutley, it'll be a PL vote.
We're still settling about generic, because I still think generic is scum while fery thinks he's just a bad town, and Sakura vice versa.

Also, NotMara if you answer my question that would be great.

[Generic]

Only one game in the last dozen or so I have played have I not had a day 1 where I'm accused of being scum. Not sure what it is but I start badly and grow into games.

[NotMara]

That is a good case by Voodoo. I really have nothing to add to it, but it deserves my vote. As Generic mentioned a few posts back, his response to it was horrible. Particularly, the "wanna tango" post was cringe-worthy.

Vote: Taskmaster

Also, Silence, what question have I not answered? I looked through the last 100 posts or so and didn't see any. Please clarify - maybe I missed something.

~Rob

[Sakura Hana]

I'm confused, i thought task master flipped his read on me because of the case or is it because of my response?, if it's the later then yeah I guess that's odd, but the case did turn everyone against me so then i wouldn't find it odd.

[Taskmaster]

You do realize that the posts where I agree with NotMara was mine and the one where we say Generic's case was bad was notscience's right? I voted for Generic cause I thought he was being scummy. I guess science was at fault for not fucking signing but your case is pretty opportunistic, considering its pretty obvious that it was hydra dissonance.

Also, do you not agree that the turn around was scummy? I know i said I had people I want to lynch, but do you not consider that thing by Sakura as scummy? When i saw that, i was gonna vote for her. So apparently, because we had voted out of the range I previously listed, it means we're scum, right? Because people can't change their minds, right? /sarcasm

BTW Generic's vote was opportunistic as fuck. "I thought you were bad over pushing me, but now Im totally buddying you, Voodoo!"

[TheIrishPope]

Huh
This Task wagon is interesting
However, I know both people inside out and I know the hydra inside out, and this is most definitely not ScumMaster.

[Sakura Hana]

ScumMaster...

that made me LOL

btw TIP, if you said i claimed mafia then why did you unvote?

[TheIrishPope]

Reaction test
I guess your reaction was ok
Back to the null bucket

[NotMara]

Pressure vote yielded very little info from Taskmaster's response. I need to reset and reread.

Unvote

~Rob

[Mutleyddmc]

This notmara seems very scummy.

[Generic]

You do realize that the posts where I agree with NotMara was mine and the one where we say Generic's case was bad was notscience's right? I voted for Generic cause I thought he was being scummy. I guess science was at fault for not fucking signing but your case is pretty opportunistic, considering its pretty obvious that it was hydra dissonance.

Also, do you not agree that the turn around was scummy? I know i said I had people I want to lynch, but do you not consider that thing by Sakura as scummy? When i saw that, i was gonna vote for her. So apparently, because we had voted out of the range I previously listed, it means we're scum, right? Because people can't change their minds, right? /sarcasm

BTW Generic's vote was opportunistic as fuck. "I thought you were bad over pushing me, but now Im totally buddying you, Voodoo!"

Taskmaster, you just used my voting for hana instead of notmara against me as picking on a weaker target when I had already pointed out her vote was opportunistic.
And look, you tell me my vote is opportunistic, hypocricisy. Guess I'm the weaker target out of me and voodoo.

And yes I change my opinion of voodoo lady, she explained where I had misinterpreted her post to me. It's called misjudgement, are you incapable of changing your opinion based on later explanations?
I read her pointing to other parts of the weak case against me as her joining in and pointing out things I hadn't answered. She just explained that in fact she was helping me debunk a weak case.

Her case on you though I thought had merit, a case you still haven't bothered to defend against beyond hiding behind a difference of opinion in the hydra.

[Taskmaster]

Christs sake people, lets stop wallposting every time the cows come home.

Yo Generic, a guy can sleep can't he? I want to go toe-to-toe, not wall to wall, but here's what I'll let you know.

1) You'd be hard pressed to find a hydrae in which both players always agree.
2) I disagree with my other head that TIP is scum, I'm p sure this is town TIP
3) Idk if my other head has ever played with mutt, but I know he does this in every game

So I'm not really surprised he changed his opinions too. Admittedly, I said I thought Sakura was town before, but the opportunistic vote from her was waaaaaaaaay deserving of a vote.

Meanwhile, you're sheeping the case against us doing, what exactly? Oh, that's right! Sheeping!

[Taskmaster]

*Yes I group opportunism and sheeping so sue me

[Mutleyddmc]

Christs sake people, lets stop wallposting every time the cows come home.

Yo Generic, a guy can sleep can't he? I want to go toe-to-toe, not wall to wall, but here's what I'll let you know.

1) You'd be hard pressed to find a hydrae in which both players always agree.
2) I disagree with my other head that TIP is scum, I'm p sure this is town TIP
3) Idk if my other head has ever played with mutt, but I know he does this in every game

So I'm not really surprised he changed his opinions too. Admittedly, I said I thought Sakura was town before, but the opportunistic vote from her was waaaaaaaaay deserving of a vote.

Meanwhile, you're sheeping the case against us doing, what exactly? Oh, that's right! Sheeping!

This must be NS, I have played with DP but only in marathons

[Taskmaster]

No, it's obviously Mara, because it's a hydra and all hydrae have Mara and it's clearly not me.

[Taskmaster]

Other head here. Generic, thats bullshit.

1. I dont know where you're the weaker target off you and voodoo when a) we havent voted either of you and b) we attacked voodoo's case. Even more. Why. So. Defensive?
2. Where havent we attacked the case? Are you misrepping us on purpose??

[Mutleyddmc]

Cheaty cheaty marple

[Sakura Hana]

Wait, so you're voting me because of my response or because of my "oportunistic" vote

[Taskmaster]

Derp, my bad. Too many games xd

It was the response

inb4 omg he mixed up words he must be scum!