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Post Post #3000 (ISO) » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:56 pm

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I'm legitimately curious, Shea- what would it take for you to actively enjoy standard, from where it is now?
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Post Post #3001 (ISO) » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:16 pm

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Oh, I was talking about sealed. My frustration actually probably isnt a reflection of the format, but rather has to do with anger at my pool and the fact that I played poorly.

Standard? How about a combo deck that is viable. When is the last time we had a truly viable combo deck in standard that wasn't creature based? How about games that boil down to more than "I played/blinked my overpowered monster with a ridiculous CITP effect more times then you did" how about a format that gives you more options than "Aggro creature, midrange creatures, or control creatures" for archtypes.
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Post Post #3002 (ISO) » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:57 pm

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Alara-Zendikar Standard had non-creature combo and I really liked that format, It also had a decent control deck that wasn't all creature based.
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Post Post #3003 (ISO) » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:23 am

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I mean, I hate this format too, but to say that blinking Thrags is the reason the format sucks is kind of blatantly false. Don't get me wrong, Restoration Angel was a huge mistake and should never have been printed, but the real problems with the format are easy mana, too much life gain, and bad removal.
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Post Post #3004 (ISO) » Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:45 am

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In post 3003, Natirasha wrote:I mean, I hate this format too, but to say that blinking Thrags is the reason the format sucks is kind of blatantly false. Don't get me wrong, Restoration Angel was a huge mistake and should never have been printed, but the real problems with the format are easy mana, too much life gain, and bad removal.
Those may be your issues with the format. I've liked plenty of formats with easy mana. And life gain isn't that bad eiher. My issue with this format, like most recent formats, is too many high impact cards. I think it was finkle who said something like 'when I used to play magic it was a game of attrition, and now its a game of haymakers' And I feel like that is my biggest issue with current magic.
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Post Post #3005 (ISO) » Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:42 am

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In post 3004, chamber wrote:
In post 3003, Natirasha wrote:I mean, I hate this format too, but to say that blinking Thrags is the reason the format sucks is kind of blatantly false. Don't get me wrong, Restoration Angel was a huge mistake and should never have been printed, but the real problems with the format are easy mana, too much life gain, and bad removal.
Those may be your issues with the format. I've liked plenty of format with easy mana. And life gain isn't that bad too. My issue with this format, like most recent formats, is too many high impact cards. I think it was finkle who said something like 'when I used to play magic it was a game of attrition, and now its a game of haymakers' And I feel like that is my biggest issue with current magic.
QFT. I really liked INN-DKA-AVR-M13-RTR Standard. That was a lot of weird fringe decks being really diverse. Now it's just not fun.
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Post Post #3006 (ISO) » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:53 am

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I didn't say blinking thrags. I was very precise. Like 80% of the meta revolves around playing creatures with ridiculous CITP effects. The person who plays the most of these usually wins. Thrag, resto, acidic slime, angel of serenity. The format is almost entirely about these cards. If you're not running them you're losing to the virtual card advantage they create, and its just boring magic.

Also, I agree with a lot of what chamber said.
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Post Post #3007 (ISO) » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:55 am

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also, "diversity" is this red herring that people continually bring up to "prove" that a format is fun and healthy. Balls, I say. I would rather play a format with only a couple of completely different decks then one where there are ostensibly 10 decks, but they all have the same fucking game plan

Modern is diverse. Legacy is diverse. Vintage is diverse. All formats where the mana is incredible. Standard is not diverse. Standard is everyone doing the same thing and dressing up in different color prom dresses.
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Post Post #3008 (ISO) » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:43 am

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For what it's worth, I think it's fairly clear that Standard is bad; it's why I quit playing. I guess I was asking more along the lines of "What's the practical solution?" Power creep is getting out of control, ETB triggers are everywhere, creatures are overtaking actual spells; what does the next block need to introduce to get Magic back to a more enjoyable level?
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Post Post #3009 (ISO) » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:47 am

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Print 2 sequential blocks of less impactful cards, which will cause them at least a year of reduced revenue, so its not going to happen.
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Post Post #3010 (ISO) » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:54 am

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I suppose that, so long as Magic's profit margins are based on "Look at all these fucking overpowered rares", there's no real hope that the trend will reverse itself.
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Post Post #3011 (ISO) » Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:44 am

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In post 3010, Sudo_Nym wrote:I suppose that, so long as Magic's profit margins are based on "Look at all these fucking overpowered rares", there's no real hope that the trend will reverse itself.
Unless they get very good at printing cards that look much better than they actually are.
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Post Post #3012 (ISO) » Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:55 am

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I want an entire set where every card is One with Nothing.
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Post Post #3013 (ISO) » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:36 pm

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In post 3012, Sudo_Nym wrote:I want an entire set where every card is One with Nothing.
That is an oddly esoteric statement.
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Post Post #3014 (ISO) » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:39 pm

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Magic doesn't care about players like us. They want 12 year old kids with mommy and daddy to buy them booster packs. Players like us buy singles, and magic could care less about the secondary market.
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Post Post #3015 (ISO) » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:34 pm

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Post Post #3016 (ISO) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:25 am

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shot in the dark, here, because I assume most of you dont play constructed online, but I'm looking to borrow some angel of serenity and restos if anyones got them on Modo.
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Post Post #3017 (ISO) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:30 am

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I would love to pilot a few decks through dailies and see if I enjoy the online format.

So, if anyone has a deck they wouldn't mind letting me borrow...
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Post Post #3018 (ISO) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:19 pm

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I have all of junk rites minus 3 angel of serenity and 4 restoration angel.

If you wanted to get those, I would certainly let you borrow it, in exchange for the same privilege.
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Post Post #3019 (ISO) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:30 pm

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For the record, the list I've been messing around with is:

4 Restorarion Angel
3 Angel of Serenity
2 Fiend Hunter
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4 Temple Garden
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4 sunpetal Grove
3 Woodland Cemetary
1 Vault of the Archangel

SB is mostly complete but needs 4 Voice of Resurgence but fuck if I am getting those. I'll probably run 4 other things instead. 4 voice is like 200$ of digital cardboard. O.o
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Post Post #3020 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:43 pm

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3-0 with the fishies tonight. Beat Jund, RU Delver and WB tokens.
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Post Post #3021 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:45 pm

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PS: I love beating $1750.00 stock jund decks with my 150$ fish list. So much. So So much.
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Post Post #3022 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:39 pm

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Ah...

I know how that feels except being on the 500$ Standard Naya side losing to Budget Boros.
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Post Post #3023 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:59 pm

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I know how it feels, $300 dredge destroying $3,000 Miracles, Terminator, Stoneblade, whatnot
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Post Post #3024 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:01 pm

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Well, my list isn't budget. There's a difference between a budget list and a list that is cheap when optimized.

There isn't a single card I don't play in my deck because they're too expensive.

also, what the hell dredge deck is 300? Have you heard of a card called lions-eye diamond?
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