It appears you (as a team) and I are very similar then. And on yhat basis I can't justify still voting for you. If our approaches are he same it means your is actually coming from a town mindset after all.In post 468, Taskmaster wrote:Im not denying I do it. You are too though.
Open 510: DUCK DUCK GOOSE- SCUM WIN!!
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In post 473, Sakura Hana wrote:
I do, tho i thought the issue was that Deckard put the reads in the exact same order as the playerlist? Guess i'll need to recheck on that, since i was all out of the loop that game i already forgot X_XIn post 471, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:Sakura remember deckard's reads in 506?
These look super similar.
Yer that list thing came after. I called deckard out straight away for saying it was scummy not having any real reads but putting a list out. Yesterday then figured out the you were out of place-
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This is a terrible discredit. After saying this you have the gall to flip flop on reads and say we arent scum anymore?In post 452, Generic wrote:I see you have started signing posts, the plan to hide behind the hydra setup failed miserably for you.
You need a vig kill.
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In post 477, Taskmaster wrote:
This is a terrible discredit. After saying this you have the gall to flip flop on reads and say we arent scum anymore?In post 452, Generic wrote:I see you have started signing posts, the plan to hide behind the hydra setup failed miserably for you.
You need a vig kill.
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You have my approvalIn post 441, Taskmaster wrote:D3fs reads look like somethimg he pulled out of his ass.
Theyre all fencesitty as hell, and the ones that have alignments are for shit reasonings. Might move our vote there, have to run it by dp
VOTE: d3f3nd3r
Those "leaning scum reads" avoid taking a hardline stance, which gives the impression of trying to please everyone. Those "town for content" reads are bad.Hydra of notscience and DoctorPepper. Yes, seriously.-
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You do realize FOS has no place in a non lylo situation right? Why not actually back it up with a vote?In post 470, Sakura Hana wrote:At first i thought he was just putting leaning everywhere, but after your post i realized there is ONE read that isn't leaning, you do have a point there
FoS: Defender
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Oh yeah we are signing posts now because apparently it wasnt obvious who was posting before.Hydra of notscience and DoctorPepper. Yes, seriously.-
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I was asked for a reads case.
FYI, I reserve Town and Scum (without leaning) for reads I am almost positive on. For example, if I had someone as Town and they flipped scum, I'd be very surprised.
I did something similar here http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4348598 and here http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4497393.
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I have no alternate evidence for scum. My only scum game, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=21855 (my first game), outright has no reads posts.-
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Hey, Tipsy, if you're going to accuse me of buddying hard I'd appreciate more evidence.In post 401, TheIrishPope wrote:First post is a great example
I fail to see how posting a fence-sitty null read on you implicates you in any way whatsoever.In post 440, TheIrishPope wrote:Right now, I do think he's scum for trying to implicate me out of the blue
Defender's reads are pretty bad for the reasons previously stated, but also because they look an awful lot like NotMara's-- the only solid townread he has. The reasoning behind his reads on Generic and Siv in particular look exactly like the arguments NotMara made earlier, which lead me to believe there's some buddying going on.-
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I'm can see defender as scum.
- he's been "in the butter" (i believe its called) on generic and taskmaster bandwagons
- he excused siv's sheeping so that he could in turn sheep himself
- he made a bunch of half-assed reads
- he isn't really looking for scum
UNVOTE: sakura hana VOTE: defender I believe that puts him at L-2
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Ok, reads time.
Voodoo Lady:
I like Voodoo if only by process of elimination. Early in their first post, I could potentially see them as scum trying to manipulate me away from Generic (by claiming that I "quietly dismissed" my case on Siv, forcing me to circle back and talk about it when I clearly said why I stopped talking about it earlier - it wasn't my best lead). This could be either a scum move to move me off Generic (meaning that Voodoo is scum with Generic) or a town move trying to hold me accountable for my reads. Voodoo's next post (#82) is questioning Generic and calling him out for dodging stuff. It doesn't make sense for Scum-Voodoo partnered with Generic to try hard to throw my attention off of him only to circle back around and make him the subject of conversation. By process of elimination, that makes him town.
Later call-outs of TIP for refusing to get involved, good analysis of Sound of Silence, and all around good scum-hunting instead of picking the low-hanging fruit makes Voodoo a fairly obviousread.Strong Town
Sound of Silence:
Have I still not answered your question about Siv? Damn - forgot all about it and re-discovered it in your ISO. He's not a super-serious or super-laid back player, he falls somewhere in the middle in the limited experience I have with him (1 game). I do know from games that I've spectated though that he lurks more and contributes less as scum than town, which is some of the reason for my initial concern. This paragraph has nothing to do with a read on SoS, I just wanted to make sure I finally answered this.
SoS overall hasn't raised any town or scum flags for me. I don't really have much else to say on him at all. He has some semi-decent analysis, but nothing that stands out as something that has a great town motivation or a great scum motivation.Null read
Karnage:
I wish Karnage was a bit more active and I had more to work with, but no scum flags raised from him. While I don't agree with them, persay, the callouts of Sakura were decently motivated. The general tone of #383 sounds like town that thinks they're onto something - I very rarely see that tone replicated from scum with any level of success. The only thing I don't like so far from Karnage is #416 - finds time to directly address a criticism of him, but not anything else in the game. I don't like that focus, but I do it too sometimes as town pressed for time. Not a huge deal, but worth noting. Overall, I have him asLeaning Town.
TheIrishPope:
Early doc claim is a very weak town point in his favor, but he very quickly erased that for me. Way too occupied with the fact that I gave him weak town points from that. I specifically responded to that saying it was a VERY weak towntell and then later called him null to see his response. He gave the worst possible one by trying to remind me of the earlier town read. Overall, way too occupied with himself while not contributing anything or scumhunting in any way in the early game. He also directly refused to participate when asked too - very anti-town. Continues RVS jokes all the way to #164 but continues to refuse to participate in any fashion.
#182 is another post that demonstrates him being overly concerned about himself. When he finally decides to kind of participate in the 200s (still not really, though) he doesn't scumhunt and consistently goes after low-hanging fruit if he decides to state reads or make arguments at all.
Oh, hey, just got to the part where TIP scum-claims. Yeah, I just said that. Let's rewind to the 200s. In #240, TIP claims Hana claimed scum and should be lynched. He unvotes here in #251. In #263, when questioned on the abrupt turn-around, he claims it was a reaction test and Hana's response was good enough to get an unvote. Except...Hana had no posts between #240 and #251. So this is a blatant lie. Lying about motivations for your actions is a pretty obvious scum indicator.
TIP continues to blatantly slip by without contributing anything of substance or offering any detailed reads for a long, long time. Nothing else worth talking about - it's a whole lot of the same behavior. Nothing even remotely shows town motivation. TIP is a fairly obviousread.Strong Scum
Mutleyddmc:
No reasoning to anything. Playing incredibly anti-town. Tries to stir up some action in my direction by misrepping me (taking a statement that anyone playing a certain way deserves a lynch if only to make them play better to equal me saying we should policy lynch that player and that I don't believe them scum, despite the fact that I'd clearly stated that I believed the person to be scum for a long time) but doesn't follow through with a vote or anything else. I generally hate someone trying to stir up action without committing to it themselves - that's not a good sign. Generally isn't driving any scum-hunting himself - none that I'm able to detect anyway. Having said that, while this is all anti-town behavior, it is not inherently scummy behavior. The only thing that is scummy here is the stirring up action without committing a vote, but that could just be consistent with meta -Does anyone have meta on mutley to be able to confirm/deny that? Does he tend to be stingy with his vote?
Overall,but he is 100% not someone that makes it into LyLo.Null read
Ok, I have to take a break from this - I'll continue ISOing people and compiling reads tomorrow morning. In the meantime:
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That wall was all me by the way - not sure where Maestro is at nowadays.
Also, if you don't want to read the entire wall, I highlighted and color-coded the reads themselves for you. One part you SHOULD read is the TIP area, especially because I highlighted a major contradiction in there that I think everyone missed.
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Very good spot on the point on tip and his reason for unvoting hana.
Question on that though, was he unvoting because he got no traction on the wagon, or because he needed an excuse to move his vote to the more popular wagon?
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In post 262, Sakura Hana wrote:ScumMaster...
that made me LOL
btw TIP, if you said i claimed mafia then why did you unvote?lol at Rob misrepping me
Her post 262 was the one that sent her to null again-
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Yeah, I wanted to see your reaction to the unvote silly Hana-
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Yes; if she loosens up, she's scum for being carefree after an unvote-
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