Mini Normal 1460 - Normalville Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Grimgroove]

What are your thoughts on Lucky?

[Baezu]

Why will I have to he lynched if I survive the night? I am effectively a VT now because scum can just RB me every night. Also I'm not necessarily obvtown so instead of wasting a nk on me they would be wiser to take out someone that is not just as likely to get lynched as nk'd, which I believe I am.

[PeregrineV]

What are your thoughts on Lucky?

Vaguely half-formed, but through day1 no thoughts really, leaving at a null.
Lucky's replacing looked kind of townish, but yes, in a new player way.

Chernobyl ISO looks kind of town. But, some of it is dependent on flips from other players.

Not particularly feeling his lynch today sans evidence.

[Slandaar]

Because, in my experience day1 cop claims have pretty much 0 effectiveness. They are blocked

or killed

or scum. Sometimes scum takes a chance and let's the town cop do their thing, but since that would confirm another town player, it's dumb to let that happen.
Baezu lowered the chance of n1 kill by claiming odd cop.
So, I figured I'd protect a universal town read that is not up for a lynch later in the game.
And Baezu, if allowed to live at night, will have to be lynched.

Bolded: Not if you as a doc protect them. Are you a Doc Peregrine?

How did Baezu lower her chances by claiming ODD cop? she would get a result N1 I agree if she claimed EVEN but not ODD.

Why is it you have not been voting Baezu since she has been allowed to live?

[PeregrineV]

Why will I have to he lynched if I survive the night? I am effectively a VT now because scum can just RB me every night. Also I'm not necessarily obvtown so instead of wasting a nk on me they would be wiser to take out someone that is not just as likely to get lynched as nk'd, which I believe I am.

But they don't have to RB you every night, since you claimed odd-night cop, right?

And standard procedure is if the cop lives too long, lynch them to ensure they are not scum fake-claiming. This confirms your copness, and confirms all your results.

There are exceptions, of course, but night actions would have to conclusively prove you as cop, which doesn't happen often.

[PeregrineV]

Because, in my experience day1 cop claims have pretty much 0 effectiveness. They are blocked

or killed

or scum. Sometimes scum takes a chance and let's the town cop do their thing, but since that would confirm another town player, it's dumb to let that happen.
Baezu lowered the chance of n1 kill by claiming odd cop.
So, I figured I'd protect a universal town read that is not up for a lynch later in the game.
And Baezu, if allowed to live at night, will have to be lynched.

Bolded: Not if you as a doc protect them. Are you a Doc Peregrine?

Yes.

How did Baezu lower her chances by claiming ODD cop? she would get a result N1 I agree if she claimed EVEN but not ODD.

Scum can ignore possible results from n2, so can decide to NK her n2 or n3 without fear of a result.

Why is it you have not been voting Baezu since she has been allowed to live?

Because if she's the odd cop then why would I want to lynch her? See 1004, but day2 is not the day to lynch the cop claim.

[Slandaar]

How did Baezu lower her chances by claiming ODD cop? she would get a result N1 I agree if she claimed EVEN but not ODD.

Scum can ignore possible results from n2, so can decide to NK her n2 or n3 without fear of a result.

How?

You are a doc right? how does this magical kill happen if you don't allow it?

Why is it you have not been voting Baezu since she has been allowed to live?

Because if she's the odd cop then why would I want to lynch her? See 1004, but day2 is not the day to lynch the cop claim.

Well when is? tomorrow? nothing will have changed at that point, the day after?

What are you expecting from a cop claim who says they are roleblocked?

[PeregrineV]

How did Baezu lower her chances by claiming ODD cop? she would get a result N1 I agree if she claimed EVEN but not ODD.

Scum can ignore possible results from n2, so can decide to NK her n2 or n3 without fear of a result.

How?

How what?

You are a doc right? how does this magical kill happen if you don't allow it?

The same RBer that blocked Baezu blocks me and kills her.

Why is it you have not been voting Baezu since she has been allowed to live?

Because if she's the odd cop then why would I want to lynch her? See 1004, but day2 is not the day to lynch the cop claim.

Well when is? tomorrow? nothing will have changed at that point, the day after?

It depends on the setup, really, doesn't it? Tomorrow will be another flip, another NK or two, and more chance to find scum.

What are you expecting from a cop claim who says they are roleblocked?

In the way of night actions, nothing. In the way of scumhunting & hardcore posting, alot.

And you know all this. You've played enough mafia. Why are you acting like the cop claim has to die day2, and asking questions you already know the answer to?

[Slandaar]

And you know all this. You've played enough mafia. Why are you acting like the cop claim has to die day2, and asking questions you already know the answer to?

Well lets recap, you said;

And Baezu, if allowed to live at night, will have to be lynched.

So, I am trying to work out if you believe that why you wouldn't vote her today.

Your explanation is what? That Later makes more sense ... because? why does it? Why if we are definitely lynching Baezu isn't it happening today? This is what you said, none of this is my theory, its yours.

Nice try at twisting things though

They are blocked or killed or scum.

Sometimes scum takes a chance and let's the town cop do their thing, but since that would confirm another town player, it's dumb to let that happen.

What PV is saying here is scum shouldn't let a cop live n1 without a RB because its dumb to give them results.

Baezu claimed odd cop, therefore, Baezu gets result on n1, which as PV said;

but since that would confirm another town player, it's dumb to let that happen

Yet somehow

Baezu lowered the chance of n1 kill by claiming odd cop.

Full cop results on D2: 1
Odd Night Cop results on D2: 1

HOW DOES ODD NIGHT COP REDUCE CHANCE OF N1 KILL? IT DOESN'T.

Its 'dumb' for scum to let a cop get results so scum will nk them or rb them, but seems there is no reason to assume rb you must as a doctor protect the claimed cop as the scum will likely shoot them. (or the claimed cop is scum)

In other words:
PV: I am the doc who didn't protect the claimed cop because I don't think scum would nk them n1 but its dumb for scum to leave a cop alive(PV is scum)

Docs must always protect claimed cops on n1 PV has played enough to know this.

VOTE: PV

[Baezu]

I couldn't have said it better myself Slandaar. Well done!

[Elyse]

There's no way I have a 1-shot protect ability and PV is a doc. If it was the reverse I would've CC'd PV once he said protect was a JOAT ability.

[Miss Stranger]

So, Peregrine, let's see...

1) Your claim is a blank doc in a game with an odd cop and 1-shot miller doc. By itself I find this pretty hard to believe. (Elyse pretty much said it in 1010)
2) You claim didn't protect the cop and your reasoning wasn't WIFOM. You'd never do that as a town doc. A scum who knows there's a roleblocker might come up with this, however.
3) You claimed without even being at L-1. That's not much of a tell, but you claimed a goddamn doctor. Why would a doctor decide to out themselves this early for no good reason? Because...
4) Conveniently, you can explain your target dying and you staying alive as long as roleblocker is not lynched. This pretty much tells me you are the roleblocker.

I'm sorry but you are getting lynched today.

[ac1983fan]

Woops.

There was a votecount here but I derped and facked it up.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: PV

Makes sense and I like a wagon that isn't me.

[Elyse]

L-1
Deadline is tomorrow.

[Grimgroove]

Intent to hammer.

[Grimgroove]

Actually, I don't see the point in waiting.

VOTE: PeregrineV

[ac1983fan]

Vote Count:

PeregrineV (6) - Baezu, Miss Stranger, Elyse, Slandaar, Lucky2u, Grimgroove (LYNCH!)

RedDragon (2) - Nachopappa, SunnyDays
Nachopappa (1) - PeregrineV
Lucky2u (1) - Ztife

Not Voting (1) - Red Dragon

With 11 players alive it takes 6 votes to lynch or no lynch.

I need a Doctor, Doctor, to bring me back to life

The lynch mob gathered around the alleged Doctor, and strung him up.

No medical supplies were found on his person...But his membership card in the local Bodyguards Union was there.

PeregrineV,

Bodyguard

, has been lynched.

Night 2 begins now. No deadline at the moment; deadline will be 60 hours from when I get a replacement if I get one today or 48 hours from when i get a replacement if I don't get one until tomorrow.

[ac1983fan]

Shamrock replaces Nachopappa effective immediately.

Night 2 deadline is in (expired on 2013-07-25 15:00:00).

[ac1983fan]

Red Dragon has requested replacement. Night deadline may change pending when I get a replacement.
Thanks for your collective patience.

[ac1983fan]

Sorry for delay, Day Three will start within an hour or two...

[ac1983fan]

Good morning citizens. You all wake up to find Elyse's dead body in the town center, with an assortment of tools surrounding it.

Elyse,

Miller Jack of All Trades

, killed Night 2.

It is now Day 3. Deadline is at 8 PM EST on Thursday, August 8, in (expired on 2013-08-08 20:00:00). With 9 alive it'll take 5 to lynch.

[Slandaar]

Massclaim

Lucky
Ztife
RD
Nacho
Sunny
Me
Stranger
Grim

Lucky; claim.

[Shamrock]

Argh I thought deadline was pushed back, I haven't finished reading yet.

[Baezu]

Well I'll be - she wasn't kidding...I'll miss you elyse.