Open 510: DUCK DUCK GOOSE- SCUM WIN!!

[TheIrishPope]

So you're admitting you're scum?

[Treble]

...Why do I always feel Sakura is lying when she says she wants to use time wisely and get things done?

[Mutleyddmc]

Ive been so close to hammering.

[Generic]

Or winning the game for us.

I laughed at this, bearing in mind he is arguing with hana at this point. At first I read it as him telling her he is winning it for them, as opposed to what I can only assume is the actual meaning unless he has completely lost his mind and s unskilled like a five year old.

Ok, I asked for a slow down in the wagon due to concerns that a quick hammer to avoid more information gathering happening... And since then hana and tip have spam argued.

I agree with mutleys sentiment but I still think this day has a lot to offer.

For example, hana in post 650 answers tips assured comment that two scum were on the defender wagon (two? Why guaranteeing two? Not one or all of them..) with me and treble. Was there a vote on me or treble?
But tip doesn't answer her questions and suddenly (conveniently timed with the growing wagon) votes tip who she was debating the scum options with not long before.

vote Sakura hana

as a show of intent. I am also happy with tip as a suspect, the pairs interactions feel forced at times.

[Sakura Hana]

2 scum, because the third is the one that jumped out of the wagon for town cred.

[Sakura Hana]

So Generic, you don't agree with the sketchy NKA from TIP?
Why do you still think my actions are scum motivated? Or are you painting me as scum?
You don't seem very interested in figuring out my alignment, maybe you already know it?

[Sakura Hana]

I love how all my scum suspects are voting me (except TIP), on the argument that everything was very conveniently done. Hmm....

[Sakura Hana]

I think i just hit jackpot...

But tip doesn't answer her questions and suddenly (

conveniently

timed with the growing wagon) votes tip who she was debating the scum options with not long before.

Thirdly, her sudden change of read on my slot "Oh, he's scum!" "Oh, he's town because he saw my obvious gambit!" "Oh, he's scum again!(

conveniently

after my slot voted her)"

Both of them use the word "Conveniently" on their arguments against me, some kind of scum secret code?

[Sakura Hana]

Also both inside parentheses

[Generic]

You make no mention of tip yet he got your vote. The reason I call it convenient is your actions are either bussing a teammate or pushing a mislynch.

The reason I suspect you is because you keep happily calling me scum yet no vote for me, tip fails to answer a question or two snd he gets the vote. That's odd behavious given your clear suspicions of me on both this day phase and the last.

[NotMara]

Did people somehow miss TIP self-voting? Can we get on with the lynch please?

[Sakura Hana]

Not really

But i find it odd how you're coordinating attacks with your scum partner. Now who's the 3rd... the fact that you're defending TIP makes me think my hunch on TIP being scum is right.

[Sakura Hana]

My previous post was directed at Generic.

[Sakura Hana]

tbh i'd be happy to lynch either of you 3, but the one holding a wagon is TIP atm.

[Sakura Hana]

Also I think we're forgetting Sound of Silence exists...

[Generic]

Why are you keen to rush the day with hana on self destruct here notmara?

[NotMara]

Isn't the fact that we're lynching her tomorrow already basically decided? I'm just not a fan of wasting time.

Also, Sakura, I think I hit the jackpot here. You used the word "also" in #764 and TIP used the same word in #205. Coincidence? I think not! /s

[Generic]

Ok, I will hammer tip if I hear from everyone except for hana and tip that everyone feels there is nothing else to be gained from the day.

Intent to hammer I suppose, but on condition others are happy with a fast day phase.

[Taskmaster]

Ok, I will hammer tip if I hear from everyone except for hana and tip that everyone feels there is nothing else to be gained from the day.

Intent to hammer I suppose, but on condition others are happy with a fast day phase.

no

[Sakura Hana]

Task: What do you think of Generic and NotMara wanting to end the day early, and NotMara's double standard logic from D1?

[TheIrishPope]

UNVOTE:
lololol

[Generic]

Task: What do you think of Generic and NotMara wanting to end the day early, and NotMara's double standard logic from D1?

You are a joke hana. Read my posts and tell me where I tried to end the day early? Was it when I asked for the wagon to hold up, or when I asked for someone to unvote to avoid mafia ending it? Maybe it was when I said allowing you to self destruct done more was worth keeping the day going for or when I said I would only hammer if everyone except the two scummiest players in the game agreed it was time?

Go back to analysing the use of the same words as each other, that was less ridiculous than that attempt to mud sling.

[Sound of Silence]

Why are you saying there's 2 scum in there. Town TIP wouldn't comment on shit like that

Second sentence is bullshit. Why did you say that?

VOTE: sakura hana

at the end of day 1 regarding treble...

My scumread on you has weakened due to how you were able to see through my trap that caught defender. Still there's something about you making me feel uneasy so

i can't give you any higher than just neutral

atm...

treble votes her today and...

Ah, the number next to his name threw me off. Indeed, there are two scum between those seven in D3f's wagon.

My money is on

Generic and

Treble

. Now where's the 3rd hmm

now he's one of her top scum reads? what happened to move treble out of neutral?

what happened to TIP being scum? you were voting him before switching over to defender.

I forget why I quoted this, but now that I've read to the end of the thread it's oracular.

btw TIP, NKA is just WIFOM imo, i've seen town get lynched because they attacked the person that was being attacked by the person that was NK'd.
That doesn't mean I think Generic is town, but I don't think the NK will tell us much...

What TiP is doing is WIFOM, but NKA is not purely WIFOM IMO. It takes more than a single night to make sense of NKs usually.

Why do you wanna quicklynch him tho, because he said Def was town?

Are you TIP's partner? Serious question.

He didn't say D3f was town. He did a lot more than that. He stayed on d3f's wagon the entire day, then hopped off of it with shitty reasoning. He then, once shown that the reasoning was bad, never hopped back onto the wagon. He also urged me to hammer, despite keeping his own vote off the wagon. He then opens the next day saying scum must have been pushing the wagon, showing only the final wagon. Yeah - I'll tell you what scum pushed the wagon - TIP. He distanced himself from it late by unvoting to keep his name off it while STILL pushing it. This is like Scum 101.

Also, #653 reeks of inside information. Pulls up an old and obscure post to try to make a case on a player that a lot of people had earlier suspicions on based entirely off WIFOM reasoning of a choice of NK.

This is so, so obvious. If TIP isn't lynched this day and he flips scum (or worse...wins), I'm raging at you all. You have been warned.

~Rob

I'll review these events to be sure they match your presentation, but this is a pretty coherent case.

Town: NotMara.
Leaning Town: Karnage, Siv
Leaning Scum: TIP, Treble
Scum: Generic.

Sound of silence and mutley get a null, SoS for not much posting and mutley because idk how to read him.

Earlier you said you wondered where the third scum is. And now you have the third as scummier than the two you called out first. Why is this?

I already said that 1 flip made me change my read.

I hope you explain why before I get to the end of the thread.

This flip flopping on NotMara is bugging me. Not to mention the "Im the only conf town" shit

VOTE: TheIrishPope

This vote seems disconnected from what is going on in the thread at this point. The exchange starting at 710 and continuing through 713 apparently wasn't even a speed bump.

Interesting, the only guy who defended the mislynch is now getting mislynched.

Your defense was pretty hardcore. That's not actually a town point unless you have godlike townreading skills.

You're always paranoid about me, ever since i drew scum like 50 times in a row on IRC mafia.

TP is in your scumpile. And in fact by post 755 you are arguing for scum-TIP again.

@TiP that self-vote was hella sketchy looking.

VOTE: Sakura Hana

Please explain your contradictory stance re TiP.

[Sakura Hana]

659 convinced me.

Then i read Siv's post... that really sounded odd for someone like TIP to not take VL's latest scumread if he was really going after that.

[Mutleyddmc]

why is my second sentence bullshit