Balto the Invitational - Game Over

[Triforce]

:/ shrug. When I get around to claim you'll understand

If you're going to use your role to save not one, but two different lynch-candidates today, you have a lot of explaining to do.

Also, you're kind of overlooking that Beethoven and Triforce are essentially the same vanilla now that they've claimed to already have used their role.

[Fate]

beep beep boop not actually reading the thread right now

i'd sheep actiondan but I don't think Kublai Khan is actually going to be back before deadline
i'll probably maybe sort of have an opinion after work

Action Dan you HAVE to go for Beethoven now. We are NOT COMPROMISE LYNCHING KK. I dont think there is ANY more support for a move back to TriForce.

This

is

the

lynch

today.

Give me this, or give me death.

[ChannelDelibird]

Beethoven you thought Nuwen was scum after her claim when hers should make the MOST sense given your claimed "role" 1-shto weird cop makes pERFECT sense with 1-shot weak jailkeeper, INSTEAD you THOUGHT SHE WAS SCUM TO HELL AND BACK

Yeah that is factually wrong

Fuck knows what I'm actually arguing in favour of at this point

[Amrun]

Dan has role information to suggest Beet is town.

Fate, you think Dan is town.

I don't follow at all.

P-edit: yeah, I'm fence sitting, straight up. I don't have a strong opinion on Beethoven which is why I thought it was a stupid flash wagon in the first place.

His claim is bad because its not how I would crumb, but fits otherwise, so it's just a sack of shit I'd rather sort out later.

Dan will sort itself out, even if we don't lynch him, so waiting for his alignment to fuck with the people he's confirming makes the most sense.

[Fate]

oh wait i have an opinion that's not super helpful but i'll share anyway

beet still pretty town

boop doop a boop

if true, you become confirmed town and we're in pretty shape. If we just mislynch two vanillas in a row without trying to break the PR claims going on I guarantee you this town is fucked

[xRECKONERx]

what in the literal fuck is happening.

ranked game starting, will sort through this after

[xRECKONERx]

Dan has role information to suggest Beet is town.

he also supposedly has role info to confirm nuwen's claim

how can he do both

[Beethoven]

Nuwen, your claim feels town

Fate might be scum. Hes blatantly misrepping events of the thread to get a claimed PR lynched because 'it confirms Gamma'. No, Gamma is confirmed and hes not getting lynched EVER obviously. Dont be fucking stupid.

[Gammagooey]

i have actually been conf. town to like half the game for most of this game day already

i could not possibly care less about being conf. town this game

[Nuwen]

Gamma being role-confirmed town sounds awesome, and so does scum dying. Those are the choices if you vote for Beethoven. You should be begging us to lynch you d00d, because those are sublime in the best AND worst case scenario. Lynching VT because we're pussies is awful. Shame on you.

The snap unvotes are gross.

I've ISO'd Beethoven for interaction with Gamma. First, listing someone as a

weak

town read isn't the correct way to crumb because it can't be read into if you die without claiming. That's a reverse-engineered crumb.

Second, there's a piece of interrogative wording in his post that doesn't make sense if he knows Gamma is town:

Gamma: I would be down to vote Trollforce, but they are not my preferred lynch today.

so you should probably vote someone else.

Why don't you care about Trollie and Nuwen's lone votes?

p-edit: Claim aside, Nuwen looks scum to me. But my gut really wants to believe her claim and her story makes sense despite how dumb it may be. I 100% agree that Dan is the right lynch today although I would be fine with Triforce or Trollie as compromises. I agree that Fate is less likely to do provable bullshit as scum. As town he likely feels he can just do whatever he wants - it fits his ego.

p-p-edit: I really dont see whats wrong with not wanting to lynch a claimed 1 shot cop. Its a retarded claim. Let her use her shot or claim to get blocked or whatever. Shes tracker bait.

He isn't trusting confirmed town's read on Nuwen (at the time, Gamma thought I was pretty town because owe shared a couple opinions), but is using the cop claim to segue into supporting another mislynch (Triforce, Trollie) Maintaining that I'm scum while inching onto other wagons could be a scum play. If he's trying to narrow down a lynch in his mind, I'm sure a sound logician like AP would prefer to methodically cross candidates off a list instead of keeping all options open.

[Beethoven]

So ya. Fate/kk/Zdenek + {CDB?}

CDB's speculation about my claim is a pretty big copout to actually addressing its legitimacy.

[Nuwen]

Dan has role information to suggest Beet is town.

he also supposedly has role info to confirm nuwen's claim

how can he do both

it means he's drinking deep into the role speculation wine and is putting himself way out on a limb with his theories, playing over-cautiously around roles because he's probably used to winning mafia via powers resolving. seems like a pretty town approach to me.

[Beethoven]

isn't the correct way to crumb because

HITOSHRUG

[ActionDan]

If there's one thing I didn't really get, was why Beet didn't particularly consider Triforce as scum. Unless I missed it.

cut oh I guess it you thought so then. lettme go back and read

cut: You're right, you are both essentially vanilla (and I'm not overlooking that). but this lynch seems wasteful. That's really all I can say.

All I have Is that 1-shot town claims make butt loads of sense. I can't support (yet) what the claims are. I have nothing to indicate if jailors or cops exist. But 1-shot crap makes tons of sense. (Also day actions make tons of sense, like BBm's so there might be a scum-day-vig or some shit just saying)

[Fate]

Action Dan you are literally fucking up EVERYTHING with your soft claim jesus christ.


Now, I don't want you to out it, but you literally CANNOT sit back and defend every PR claim with a softclaim NO ONE ELSE understands or has access to. We have to MOVE FORWARD.

Theres no way, balance wise, your role can CONFIRM 100% both NUWENS AND BEETS. There is scum between them, we are going for Beethoven. Then you are probably going to be forced to full claim tomorrow and we will sort it out.

Like, I have no idea what shit youa re on about. If youre a fucking motivator then yeah POWER ROLES EXIST out there, but you cant just not lynch EVERYONE that claims.

If anything, lynching the role that already USED their "shot" is the best play here.

[Amrun]

Dan has role information to suggest Beet is town.

he also supposedly has role info to confirm nuwen's claim

how can he do both

Makes no fucking sense, idk.

[Fate]

AD if 1-shot town claims make the most sense, then use logic:

Nuwen claims 1-shot, you soft confirm it.

THE FIRST scum to claim after he is obviously giong to claim a 1-shot thing, because youre confirming them

[Beethoven]

Lynching VT because we're pussies is awful

Lol said the preemptive PR claim for the sake of GETTING PEOPLE TO STOP VOTING YOU.

[ChannelDelibird]

If anything, lynching the role that already USED their "shot" is the best play here.

I think, ultimately, this is my feeling now.

[Fate]

Dan has role information to suggest Beet is town.

he also supposedly has role info to confirm nuwen's claim

how can he do both

Makes no fucking sense, idk.

makes no sense but unwilling to vote beethoven scum?

Fostering the confusing


Amrun for scumpres 2013

[ActionDan]

fine. I'll switch at soon. lettme check deadline

[Nuwen]

isn't the correct way to crumb because

HITOSHRUG

[url="http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4264663"]HITOSHRUG IS A PROVEN SCUM TELL IN 100% OF ALL INSTANCES[/quote]

you can't make this shit up!

[ActionDan]

deadline is 7 hours away.

Gamma guide me.

[Beethoven]

Im over this shit. Lynch KK and Fate in that order.

[Beethoven]

Reckoner stop being so fucking bad wrt your conftown Grimm read. Nothing Grimm did was 100%loltown. Zdenek is going to coast to a win because you are too fucking proud to admit you are possibly wrong about something small as fuck.