Mini 1474: Desperado's Revenge (Game Over)

Flench · Post Post #425 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:45 am

I did not know that.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #426 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:47 am

In post 376, Flench wrote:
Ok my other game finally went to night 1
after
2700 posts
or some shit.
I think that game is pretty much won
, so this is my primary game now.

The last bit is the kicker. Anyway stop distracting me, I'm trying to make a real post.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #427 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:48 am

You basically just told us your alignment in another game.

Feel It · Post Post #428 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:51 am

In post 403, Impetus wrote:AJ, I'm not revealing my main.

I did a quick search for Luckys selfvoting and only see him having selfvoted once ever here where he was a town vengeful in a marathon game and selfvoted due to impending deadline from what I gather so while it's probably not the best meta to use his self-vote here is probably a slight town tell if anything since the reasoning here seems to be impending deadline as well. I don't have time to meta him as much as I'd like to sadly.

Ugh, Feel It's Post 398 is throwing me in circles, I'm going from finding some of the reads understandable to finding others nonsensical and unnatural; some of his reads don't seem to mesh, his "I don't want Flench to die" change to "Now I find him scummy due to selfvote and unvote and is erratic" feels opportunistic and unnatural and the comparison between that and what he's stated about Lucky feels weird.

I feel a lot more confident in my town reads than my scum reads right now, think I need to take a look at my null reads tomorrow, especially N64. For now though the only lynch that I'm comfortable and think has a decent chance of going through and hitting scum is Feel It. Those who scum read Flench can you explain to me what I'm missing there because I still think he's town.

Vote: Feel It

Well, how is he towny? At first I wanted to avoid lynching him due to him being an easy target bandwagon that scum will often build. (look who is on the wagon). Flench selfvoting is awful townplay at best, downright scummy at worst which is what lowered my estimation of his alignment. I find theomoaner and Radiantwolf more scummy but the town is too split and divided to get a lynch on either of those two. There's been so much content in this game lots of us are confused and a no lynch will make this even worse and I strongly want to avoid one and I question the players putting votes on players you can see won't get lynched today. Flench is the only player town might agree on lynching.

sthar8 · Post Post #429 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:07 am

In post 377, Impetus wrote: Outing town reads and town tells is actually massively beneficial for a lot of reasons

Those benefits are illusory and outweighed by the negatives. Obviously, this is both a theory discussion and my opinion. I'd be happy to discuss it further with you tomorrow or post-game.

@Everyone- STOP SELF VOTING. We have roughly 8 hours until the deadline. Unless you are preventing an imminent no lynch, you should avoid self voting as it gives no useful information to the town.

In post 415, Aj The Epic wrote:So, you prefer a choice not your primary?

Don't be silly. Compromises are bad, no lynch is worse.

In post 418, evilpacman18 wrote: Catching up but I want the mod to comment on this.

Why?

In post 378, Impetus wrote: (4): This is partially meta based, I've seen EPM in a few games and as town he's a bigger 'personality' so to speak as in he's not afraid to state his thoughts of people and opinions without caring too much about the consequences. The whole "I don't like votes being placed on the lead wagons" isn't something I think he'd come out and state as scum while not having town reads on all of the players. Also him doing meta research to find out Devices confirmation voting thing being a null tell reads very town, mafia generally don't waste time doing meta research.

(5): I think JJ's "how many scum are usually in this setup" is natural which means no inside information which means it's a town-slip, I also think his frustration is genuine and can follow his thought process a lot. And weirdly enough I think AJ not realizing that he replaced into JJ's slot is a big town tell, as scum I think he'd instantly have looked at his predecessors and partners play and therefore not said that he FoS's that slot.

(4) That about fits with my read of EPM's meta. The issue I have is that in this game, all his "reads" and "pushes" appear to correlate to the players most suspicious or critical of him. That doesn't read like "without caring too much about the consequences" to me. Also, I read the "Don't vote unless you're ready to hammer" post as something he could point back to on day two after helping to reason out a mislynch to explain why he didn't vote for whatever wagon he wanted to push. Effectively, he could drive whatever wagon he wanted as scum, leave only town votes on the record, then if he gets called on it he has a plausible explanation.

(5)Not saying that AJ is scum, but that's a null-tell at best. Equally plausible is that AJ replaced in thinking he was tybalt-scum, sees that he's been criticized for having no opinions, and rushes out an easy case. A push on JJ would be easy to drop as his replacement started doing things differently, and equally easy to hound for behavioral tells that the replacement can neither fix nor explain. JJ is an incredibly easy scum-target right now.

Don't expect anything substantial from me today, but I will be reading along. I will vote to prevent a no-lynch before deadline, but I will not vote theo or lucky unless they are literally the only option. I do not understand the cases on them, and there is not enough time today to bring me around. I'll be happy to examine both of them tomorrow.

Aj The Epic · Post Post #430 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:49 am

In post 427, evilpacman18 wrote:You basically just told us your alignment in another game.

Stop it. Your provoking shit that doesn't need to be happening here. Don't make stupid shit worse.

Desperado · Post Post #431 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:51 am

I don't really care what you'd do about that post. Anyone is capable of clicking Flench's name, bringing up his topics, and seeing that his other game has 2700 posts and is currently in N1. If I felt compelled to comment on it I would have.

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Approximately 7 hours until the deadline.

Aj The Epic · Post Post #432 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:53 am

In post 429, sthar8 wrote:Don't be silly. Compromises are bad, no lynch is worse.

Multiple days of no lynch are bad. I can deal with one. We won a game in Kubli Khan's Xlbot game with a day 1 no lynch, sweeping out two mafia teams. I'd prefer to lynch scum, namely someone in the Feel-it, Lucky2u, Theomoaner area. I think it might just be radioactive playing jerk over actually being scum.

So, who's your ideal lynch? I refuse to help this Flench vote, so if you want to counter it real quick, I can help get a lynch in this 7 hours.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #433 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:04 am

Ok well first of all I'm excited to have AJ an Impetus in the game and leaning town already on both, moreso AJ than impetus. I'm absolutely behind the lucky lynch for today,

vote:lucky2u

and in my read from page 10 to here, the only thing I noticed is that N64 might be scum, his posts all make sense to me, idk why people are complaining about their inability to understand him, but all his posts come off as having very null intent to me.

Also someone was wondering if I was gonna get to 327, but I've been reading Flench as town since then so I don't really feel the need to compare the benefits of both lynches when I really want to lynch lucky, and I'm not as interested in Flench as our first lynch. That's why I was modkill-fishing though, it might make our job easier, provided the mod didn't end the day if he had modkilled, which isn't specified in his rules.

Desperado · Post Post #434 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:08 am

The Eighth Votecount

Flench - 4 (theomoaner, Radioactive Wolf, mnemonicdevice, Feel It)
Lucky2u - 3 (Aj The Epic, Lucky2u, evilpacman18)
Feel It - 2 (jon_h61, Impetus)
evilpacman18 - 1 (sthar8)
theomoaner - 1 (N64Lord)
Radioactive Wolf - 1 (Flench)
Impetus - 1 (RadiantCowbells)

With

13

players alive, it's

7

to lynch

Today's deadline is

Saturday, July 27th at 11:59pm Eastern Standard Time

Spoiler: Player Voting History

Spoiler: Voting History

evilpacman18 · Post Post #435 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:16 am

seriously everyone not voting for either flench or lucky needs to vote in their next post.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #436 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:21 am

VOTE: Lucky2u

My scumreads are on the other wagon; that makes this one a good bet.

Impetus and AJ are probtown, as is Feel It.

My favourite lynch is Theomoaner, but if that's not going to happen I'll take a lucky wagon.

Crowley, I set a bad example for you.

Lucky2u · Post Post #437 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:55 am

VOTE: Flench

to move things along.

Lucky2u · Post Post #438 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:56 am

In post 435, evilpacman18 wrote:seriously everyone not voting for either flench or lucky needs to vote in their next post.

I am very much behind this, I don't care that I am one of the wagons.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #439 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:13 am

I don't like lucky right now.

Please lynch him.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #440 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:14 am

mod: can we request a deadline extension based on the two very recent replacements?

Lucky2u · Post Post #441 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:17 am

In post 439, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't like lucky right now.

Please lynch him.

Your hurting my feelings Judas, what's wrong with you?

Desperado · Post Post #442 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:23 am

In post 440, evilpacman18 wrote:
mod: can we request a deadline extension based on the two very recent replacements?

If a majority joins you in your request

Aj The Epic · Post Post #443 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:48 am

I'd like to second that extension, then.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #444 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:50 am

I'm down for an extension.

Your hurting my feelings Judas, what's wrong with you?

I'm sorry my bad play in the newbie game we played together sullied your innocent newbie eyes and caused you to think purposeless self voting is a good option.

I must put you out of your misery.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #445 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:52 am

you should probably put that in bold

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #446 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:55 am

[bold]Vote: Extension[/vote]

Feel It · Post Post #447 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:57 am

Also requesting extension

Lucky2u · Post Post #448 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:57 am

In post 446, RadiantCowbells wrote:[bold]Vote: Extension[/vote]

Really Judas? Are you drunk tagging?

Feel It · Post Post #449 (ISO) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:05 pm

Lucky, don't you want an extension?