Lord of The Rings Mafia - Game End

[Nero Cain]

Monkey is scum for 734 and possibly lying about not playing with me.
Toast is scum and a monkey buddy for trying to nitpick/discredit my Monkey case.
DN is scum for unvoting for no reason.
Mattel is active lurking scum.

Those our are top 4 scum reads.

I remember seeing something along the lines of you not liking my unvote. Would you have rather me keep my vote up for a week without me being able to change it?

When you are all "Venrob is still scum!" I saw no reason for you to unvote unless you were worried that the lynch wouldn't go through or something. Can you explain why you unvoted despite still scum reading Venrob?

We were mistaken, for some reason we thought you were voting Spiff.

unvote

[waynegg]

You are assuming too much based off Meta. It's all relative to the player's choice in how he decides to play the game. As a third party, you have lots of options and Amrun and you have both stated you would approach this game in different ways. So overall, I think it is a pointless argument and one that leads us no closer to finding scum. And honestly, I dont think it helps you convince anyone of Subliminal being third party either.

Meta? META? My case has nothing to do with meta! It has to do with Subliminal playing with scum motivation and ONLY scum motivation BASED ON THE MECHANICS FOR THIS GAME AS EXPLAINED IN THE OP. You obviously didn't read the case and just went straight in to discrediting it.

[Gollum]

Monkey is scum for 734 and possibly lying about not playing with me.
Toast is scum and a monkey buddy for trying to nitpick/discredit my Monkey case.
DN is scum for unvoting for no reason.
Mattel is active lurking scum.

Those our are top 4 scum reads.

I remember seeing something along the lines of you not liking my unvote. Would you have rather me keep my vote up for a week without me being able to change it?

When you are all "Venrob is still scum!" I saw no reason for you to unvote unless you were worried that the lynch wouldn't go through or something. Can you explain why you unvoted despite still scum reading Venrob?

We were mistaken, for some reason we thought you were voting Spiff.

unvote

[waynegg]

Monkey is scum for 734 and possibly lying about not playing with me.
Toast is scum and a monkey buddy for trying to nitpick/discredit my Monkey case.
DN is scum for unvoting for no reason.
Mattel is active lurking scum.

Those our are top 4 scum reads.

I remember seeing something along the lines of you not liking my unvote. Would you have rather me keep my vote up for a week without me being able to change it?

When you are all "Venrob is still scum!" I saw no reason for you to unvote unless you were worried that the lynch wouldn't go through or something. Can you explain why you unvoted despite still scum reading Venrob?

We were mistaken, for some reason we thought you were voting Spiff.

unvote

Alt slip, and what does that have to do with your case and vote on Monkey?

[waynegg]

Nvm on alt slip

[Gollum]

We just literally facepalmed. If you were reading you'd know that we think DN is scum and don't want to touch anything with him on it. We had thought that he was voting Spaceman but he wasn't so now we don't want to vote Monkey.

[waynegg]

Y'all just wake me up when this day is done. Monkey's claim is much more plausible than Robert's in my opinion and the only player I'm completely happy with being lynched is Subliminal. They're the only player with a rock solid case on them.

VOTE: Subliminal

pedit. I read that, just kinda looked like possible bus. But, I understand your logic.

[Gollum]

What do you think of DN still calling Venrob scum but unvoting him?

[waynegg]

I have DN in my scum bucket, but all of his crap is circumstantial and could just as easily be bad play. I'm sticking with Miss now. No way someone gets a free pass, playing for the scum wincon all day, based solely on who they are and not what their play indicates.

[waynegg]

And since they're more than likely the head of the scum team, I doubt any scum will get on that wagon (except maybe DN to force Gollum off if he gets on) which should make it easier finding scum tomorrow.

@Gollum, you should consider, since you announced you wouldn't touch anything that DN is on, that he would play that against you.

[DeathNote]

Monkey is scum for 734 and possibly lying about not playing with me.
Toast is scum and a monkey buddy for trying to nitpick/discredit my Monkey case.
DN is scum for unvoting for no reason.
Mattel is active lurking scum.

Those our are top 4 scum reads.

I remember seeing something along the lines of you not liking my unvote. Would you have rather me keep my vote up for a week without me being able to change it?

When you are all "Venrob is still scum!" I saw no reason for you to unvote unless you were worried that the lynch wouldn't go through or something. Can you explain why you unvoted despite still scum reading Venrob?

We were mistaken, for some reason we thought you were voting Spiff.

unvote

The better question is why I would leave my vote on. I took it off cause of V/LA. I dont see the benefit of parking a vote anywhere when I am not available to check on the game.

You are assuming too much based off Meta. It's all relative to the player's choice in how he decides to play the game. As a third party, you have lots of options and Amrun and you have both stated you would approach this game in different ways. So overall, I think it is a pointless argument and one that leads us no closer to finding scum. And honestly, I dont think it helps you convince anyone of Subliminal being third party either.

Meta? META? My case has nothing to do with meta! It has to do with Subliminal playing with scum motivation and ONLY scum motivation BASED ON THE MECHANICS FOR THIS GAME AS EXPLAINED IN THE OP. You obviously didn't read the case and just went straight in to discrediting it.

What I see is you arguing with Amrun about "if I was third party... blah blah blah".

I have DN in my scum bucket, but all of his crap is circumstantial and could just as easily be bad play. I'm sticking with Miss now. No way someone gets a free pass, playing for the scum wincon all day, based solely on who they are and not what their play indicates.

The people who decided to place me as scum, need to reevaluate that. Those reads didn't happen until after I left. The only person who found me scummy before my V/LA was toasty and he is the only one who deserves to continue to point me out as scum.

[DeathNote]

@Gollum, you should consider, since you announced you wouldn't touch anything that DN is on, that he would play that against you.

Agreed which is why you should never set ultimatums in a game like mafia. "If I die, so&so is scum." Those types of things are so stupid.

[DeathNote]

What do you think of DN still calling Venrob scum but unvoting him?

By the way, I am allowed multiple scum reads and not required to vote any in any particular order, thank you.

[waynegg]

didnt see your case

Dont know how you missed it. Here...

Subliminal have been all about destroying the one ring all day. They've also focused their efforts on finding "ringscum" instead of actual scum. ISO them and see why they voted me for proof on this. And, once I brought that up, I became just scum I stead of ringscum. Anyhow...


Getting rid of the ring eliminates the town's Cop and pushing its destruction gives town cred, IN THIS GAME, because town doesn't need the ring to win. But, neither does scum.

Pushing the lynch of "ringscum" allows them to look like they're hunting for scum when they really aren't, it increases scum odds of actually hitting town at night, and gives town cred.

Scum have the highest motivation for getting rid of the ring RIGHT NOW. Scum have the highest motivation for lynching "ringscum", ergo Miss Subliminal is scum.

[Empking]

Vote Count Twenty Nine

Spaceman Spiff (5) - TwinFlames, alienBRO, Venrob, Miss Subliminal, ToastyToast
Monkeyman576 (4) - DeathNote, Spaceman Spiff, Amrun, Who
Waynegg (1) - Monkeyman576
Miss Subliminal (1) - waynegg

Not Voting: Mattel, Maverick_Alpha, Robert2424, Gollum

Eight to lynch
(expired on 2013-07-30 13:05:58)

[DeathNote]

Where are you pulling that quote from? I don't see me saying "didn't see your case."

And yeah... I understand the case already. I also understand that that is just your opinion on how scum should play.

[Gollum]

The better question is why I would leave my vote on. I took it off cause of V/LA. I dont see the benefit of parking a vote anywhere when I am not available to check on the game.

Well you were scumreading said slot so we still don't understand, like at all, why you'd be against parking your vote. So you couldn't check the thread? Why should you care unless Venrob is not in your faction?

[Gollum]

The better question is why I would leave my vote on. I took it off cause of V/LA. I dont see the benefit of parking a vote anywhere when I am not available to check on the game.

Well you were scumreading said slot so we still don't understand, like at all, why you'd be against parking your vote. So you couldn't check the thread? Why should you care unless Venrob is not in your faction?

[Amrun]

Fuck, guys, I think Monkey is scum more than Spiff now.

[Gollum]

Why do? What do you think of DN?

[Gollum]

*Why so?

[DeathNote]

Gollum, I will never leave my vote on while I am on V/LA and unable to change it. Period. End of Discussion.

And if your reasoning for finding my scummy is because of that, then you should probably reconsider cause it is a waste of time.

[Amrun]

Oh and we probably have a lot more than 4 vts, idk what kind of site you are used to playing but most games aren't pr heavy here.

P-edit: look, I've made a scummies nomination out of mislynvhing dn. why? Because it's easy. I think he's scummy, but he's dn and it could go either way. It is not even close to the best lynch for the day.

[Amrun]

Also unvoting while on v/la is fairly reasonable.

[DeathNote]

Oh and we probably have a lot more than 4 vts, idk what kind of site you are used to playing but most games aren't pr heavy here.

unless it is a game I mod...