Mini 1476: Dewey Decimal Mafia (Game Over)


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Post Post #625 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:09 am

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*fails to read note to self*

I'll try once more for a Melvil Dewey quote.

“Reading is a mighty engine, beside which steam and electricity sink into insignificance.”

Hm, I wonder. Would I rather have books, or TV, movies, and online mafia?

I think when all is said and done, books. I guess I'm with Dewey on this one. How about you?

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L-4 Kid A - Mr. Flay, Jake from State Farm
repl. mozamis

L-4 notscience - Kid A, Darox
L-5 spicer1209 -Amrun
L-5 Jake from State Farm
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- notscience
L-5 gorckat - spicer1209
L-5 Darox - Sundy
repl. Ingrid

L-5 Sundy
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- TheIrishPope
L-6 Amrun -
L-6 Mr. Flay -
L-6 TheIrishPope -

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Post Post #626 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:56 am

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Ftr, I amished'd in Sitcom and was town. It's p much null.
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Post Post #627 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:04 am

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Jake:

That is the 100% correct definition of the tell. I've talked about it with Amished, so, you are wrong. Do not mention ongoing games ever... What is wrong with you? I have occasionally seen the tell flip town, but more often scum. Non-clean applications muddy the waters. I believe in the tell, so I really don't care about what anyone else thinks.

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Of course the poorest reason is the easy targets thing. Granted. It occurred to me, so I shared it, though.
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Post Post #628 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:13 am

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In post 623, Jake from State Farm wrote:unfortunately 1 is ongoing
Please don't do this.
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Post Post #629 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:15 am

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This is what i could find, obviously i can't have a PM conversation with the dude but the below is supposedly taken directly from Amished and it's the only definition that i can find published on this site.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3944450
For those of you that don't know what's going on; I've basically come up with a scumtell that if you *criticize* who you replaced in; you're scum.
This is a refinement from what I had it (if you read your replacement at all you were scum)
; but this seems to cover all the instances where I've seen/remember it. If you're town, you really don't have to worry about your predecessor as you know they're town; but if you think that they're scummy; then you're scum. As town, you know that you're not scummy and don't deserve criticism at all.
Reading your slot to see what they have said and who they found suspicious and town isn't a scumtell so you better drop that definition out of your memory right now.
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Post Post #630 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:19 am

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Did you even read?

I never said that was the current definition. I said it used to be the definition. It used to be the definition for a REASON, which is the spirit of the tell, not the letter of it. I don't think that reading your predecessor makes you scum, but contextually when and how you do it and when and how you do/don't do other things can be scummy. It isn't even relevant right now, so this conversation is supremely unproductive.
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Post Post #631 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:21 am

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In post 628, saulres wrote:
In post 623, Jake from State Farm wrote:unfortunately 1 is ongoing
Please don't do this.
if we are speaking in technicalities, the way the rules are written what I have done is perfectly legal, however warning received and i won't do it again.
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Post Post #632 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:24 am

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In post 630, Amrun wrote:Did you even read?

I never said that was the current definition. I said it used to be the definition. It used to be the definition for a REASON, which is the spirit of the tell, not the letter of it. I don't think that reading your predecessor makes you scum, but contextually when and how you do it and when and how you do/don't do other things can be scummy. It isn't even relevant right now, so this conversation is supremely unproductive.
yes it used to be the definition and it was CHANGED for a reason. because reading your predecessor's slot isn't scummy.

that's why you need to drop the old definition and use the correct one, however even the correct one isn't valid anymore.
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Post Post #633 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:27 am

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I do use the correct one. I was explaining the evolution of the tell because someone asked what it meant. Seriously, this is dumb. Stop.
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Post Post #634 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:38 am

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Yes you using that tell in any form is dumb. Stop it ;)
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Post Post #635 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:59 am

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Can we lynch kid already? Or at least lynch Darox for lying about his role?
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Post Post #636 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:45 am

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In post 635, Jake from State Farm wrote:Can we lynch kid already? Or at least lynch Darox for lying about his role?
good post 10/10

what is your read on notscience and why
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Post Post #637 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:49 am

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These wagons need to converge. We're more than halfway through the Day.
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Post Post #638 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:54 am

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vote: Kid A


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Post Post #639 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:01 am

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In post 636, Kid A wrote:
In post 635, Jake from State Farm wrote:Can we lynch kid already? Or at least lynch Darox for lying about his role?
good post 10/10

what is your read on notscience and why
Null, but useless.
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Post Post #640 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:08 am

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In post 619, notscience wrote:Flay, do you have any idea about the origin of that tell? Someone tried to use it as a scumtell in a recent game with me and I don't see how it means anything.

What are your "null and town" reads in order from town to scum sundy?
I don't agree with creating ranked lists. here is my view on the players i didn't address explicitly.

Jake: definitely better than mozamis. Every time that latter name popped up, I had forgotten they were in the game, which is bad bad bad. But Jake's posts gave me a good gut feeling. why? he sticks to his guns. specifically the points where he questioned Amrun (seemed like real thinking there), and his refusal to give a complete list of 3 scum. what worries me about Jake is he started speculating amrun/tip/kid a in 405, then arguing that there's only 2 scum possible in the setup in 489. then also in 545 he throws a bit of shade towards spicer, and he's also throwing a bit of shade to darox. this could either be town driving in on what he thinks is scum by keeping his mind open, or scum trying to cause a lynch and prepping other options in people's minds. hard to say. what i DON'T like the most is the contradiction between saying it's a 2 scum game and speculating a 3-scum team, the rest i think is good or ambiguous

notscience: participates a lot, but in very short posts. some useful ones mixed in there. main piece i liked was the TIP controversy when everyone was up in arms about a policy lynch.

KidA: i don't understand a lot of his logic in how he's switching reads in the beginning of the game. however he improves significantly. townie posts include #420 and #547, where he makes detailed cases on mr flay and notscience. indicates thought. only possibly scummy thing is that he's doing it after pressure's on him.

gorckat I like. i didn't early in the game, with a lot of talking about policy and content-less posts and an obvious spicer vote. however, then he took all the time on the notscience case and eventually unvoted. indicates townie thinking through things.

re: Amrun/Flay, i am ending more on the amrun side. There's parts of her big post I don't agree with, but the frustration seeping off her appears to be real. I am not a fan of Flay's response, which is basically "why can't anyone play mafia correctly" and "i'm so angry" and "your analysis is shit". there is not much explaining his behavior that she called out, e.g., why he calls something town and then calls the same thing scum later on. the impression i get from both of them, unfortunately, is that they're not being entirely truthful because they want to fish for reactions so they are establishing opinions they don't actually believe. imo transparency is the best town tactic, but good players do sometimes resort to these kinds of fireworks

given where we are on the day, i don't understand why more people aren't voting darox. it's a total win-win situation: if he's telling the truth, he'll prove it (and he won't have an opportunity to use it day 2 because if he is town, scum will probably kill him for claiming PR) and end the wagon, and if he's lying, then he's lying scum. more votes on this wagon please.
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Post Post #641 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:11 am

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Darox, state your intent to shoot when you come back, please, and your target.
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Post Post #642 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:32 am

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In post 639, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 636, Kid A wrote:
In post 635, Jake from State Farm wrote:Can we lynch kid already? Or at least lynch Darox for lying about his role?
good post 10/10

what is your read on notscience and why
Null, but useless.
how many null reads do you have right now
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Post Post #643 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:50 am

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like 2 or 3, but I have something evern better. I have 2 solid scum reads and that's all that matters right now as I honestly feel we are looking for 2 scum.
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Post Post #644 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:53 am

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In post 643, Jake from State Farm wrote:like 2 or 3, but I have something evern better. I have 2 solid scum reads and that's all that matters right now as I honestly feel we are looking for 2 scum.
what did you mean in 405 when you speculated 3 person scum team??
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Post Post #645 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:54 am

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Also, it's Day One with no flips (thanks Darox). It's a fool's errand trying to discern teams right now.
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Post Post #646 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:04 am

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In post 644, Sundy wrote:
In post 643, Jake from State Farm wrote:like 2 or 3, but I have something evern better. I have 2 solid scum reads and that's all that matters right now as I honestly feel we are looking for 2 scum.
what did you mean in 405 when you speculated 3 person scum team??
that was early in the game and I had forgotten that this was a 10 player game (I am not used to playing "Mini" games with less than 13 people.)

later in the game I was pretty adamant that this game probably only has 2 scum.
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Post Post #647 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:10 pm

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Prodding both spicer1209 and Darox
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Post Post #648 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:20 pm

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Oh fine.

I'll shoot someone.

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Post Post #649 (ISO) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:20 pm

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P.S. Still don't think Kid A is scum.

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