Death's Diner -Game Over-

[StubbsKVM]

Additionally, Rift, can you give me your thoughts on Zoidberg and his recent behaviour?

What recent behavior is that?

His attempts to discredit me

[4nxi3ty]

StubbsKVM (3) - Zoidberg, Rift Adrift, TiphaineDeath
roflcopter (1) - ArcAngel9
Zoidberg (1) - StubbsKVM
EddieFenix (2) - BROseidon, oriole
Baezu

(4)

- Amrun, Aunt Jemina, Slandaar, Metal Sonic
TiphaineDeath (1) - EddieFenix
Metal Sonic (1) - elvis_knits
elvis_knits

(4)

- Baezu, Ghostly Penguin, roflcopter, PeregrineV
Aunt Jemina (1) - Xiao Long

Not Voting (1) - Titus

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.
(expired on 2013-08-09 10:28:34)

Prodding Zoidberg and elvis_knits.

[Zoidberg]

Sup, responding to prod.

Got a busy day, I'll try to get a bunch of posts up tomorrow am

[Rift Adrift]

His content improved dramatically and he's looking mostly caught up though there are a few things I think he's still shaky on. Seeing how that plays out may improve some other reads. He's posting in a way that reminds me strongly of the Amnesiac game we played together, where he came into an already long day 1, got mostly caught up, and basically rehabilitated a slot that I had been scumreading prior to him replacing in., He's not a replacement in this game, but he's been kinda prod-dodging up until the prior 24 hours or so and obviously wasn't caught up.

[BROseidon]

p5's posts look fairly town.

[Rift Adrift]

Additionally, Rift, can you give me your thoughts on Zoidberg and his recent behaviour?

I don't remember answering this question. When I went through your ISO and built that huge quotewall, I read quite a few of Zoidberg's posts but I don't know which posts you think are discredit attempts. Could you give me a post number to something that you feel was discrediting?

[Amrun]

Apparently I'm in the minority for thinking pv's catchup is scummy. He has no scumreads except a weak one on elvis, which is qualified with "these posts look the same as this other time when I thought she was scum BUT SHE WAS TOWN." WTF.

[Slandaar]

His content improved dramatically and he's looking mostly caught up though there are a few things I think he's still shaky on. Seeing how that plays out may improve some other reads. He's posting in a way that reminds me strongly of the Amnesiac game we played together, where he came into an already long day 1, got mostly caught up, and basically rehabilitated a slot that I had been scumreading prior to him replacing in., He's not a replacement in this game, but he's been kinda prod-dodging up until the prior 24 hours or so and obviously wasn't caught up.

Well we achieved the same conclusion but for completely different reasons.

I thought you might have said what I think but meh.

[Rift Adrift]

His content improved dramatically and he's looking mostly caught up though there are a few things I think he's still shaky on. Seeing how that plays out may improve some other reads. He's posting in a way that reminds me strongly of the Amnesiac game we played together, where he came into an already long day 1, got mostly caught up, and basically rehabilitated a slot that I had been scumreading prior to him replacing in., He's not a replacement in this game, but he's been kinda prod-dodging up until the prior 24 hours or so and obviously wasn't caught up.

Well we achieved the same conclusion but for completely different reasons.

I thought you might have said what I think but meh.

I get that a lot. I read largely based on tone and trajectory though occasionally single posts really stand out on their own as significant.

When the time is ripe, I'd like to hear the basis for your read.

[Rift Adrift]

Apparently I'm in the minority for thinking pv's catchup is scummy. He has no scumreads except a weak one on elvis, which is qualified with "these posts look the same as this other time when I thought she was scum BUT SHE WAS TOWN." WTF.

The preponderance of null reads vs 1 null/scum read is one thing that bothered me about his posts because I always wonder if it's to avoid taking stands that might have to change for tactical reasons whether there's good reason to or not. But, he's had early null reads in other games he's played. I did a recent meta dive on Peregrine for another game.

[Slandaar]

He doesn't care about his appearance. PV has played enough to know how his reads would come over and thus he is town.

[TiphaineDeath]

There are so many things wrong with 1225 I don't even know where to start.....

[Titus]

TD, I am beginning to suspect scum influence in the suspicions on you and forgetting the confalignment.

I also have my concerns with 1225 but town can be confused.

PV, can you write out thoughts for everything in 1225.

[StubbsKVM]

Rift

Starts at 832 and last post by me is 946

There are Several attempts between these posts.

If you ISO zoidberg, you should see them, I've responded to each of them, so take a look at that too.

If you want me to quote it all, you'll have to wait for me to get on a pc.

[Rift Adrift]

I now demand you Rift to show me where this meta argument comes from;

Slandaar's unvote worries us. Titus is being a scumfuck and Slandaar is like one of MS's top tier tunnellers. What do you think?

Exactly. Whenever Slandaar takes a step back for no apparent reason it worries the hell out of me.

On a side note, what do you think about roflcopter?

To make such arguments you must have town meta on me where I tunnel one person from page 10 to infinity.

Or, if you could provide where I as scum 'took a step back' that might work.

Talked to Syr, and he says you know why he can't answer this question right now. For your scum meta, his word is "tenements".

[Rift Adrift]

I think these are the relevant quotes.

It could swing both ways.
He could be town if he believes that I am a mislynch. But in this case, Why not mention it?
He could be scum if he believes I'm getting lynched without his vote. If the mislynch is happening, Why take part if you don't need to?

This is 100% filler disguised to look like analysis.

"Let me enumerate the ways in which he could be either alignment, but let me conspicuously avoid taking a stance."

If you hadn't already been called on this post, then when I wandered back into the thread, I would have quoted it and said something to the effect of "hedging" or "fencesitting". He's right that you did not take a stance on something that you called out in the thread as being worthy of other players' attention.

It could swing both ways.
He could be town if he believes that I am a mislynch. But in this case, Why not mention it?
He could be scum if he believes I'm getting lynched without his vote. If the mislynch is happening, Why take part if you don't need to?

This is 100% filler disguised to look like analysis.

"Let me enumerate the ways in which he could be either alignment, but let me conspicuously avoid taking a stance."

How the hell am I supposed to get a read from something he did not
Comment on?

You clearly brought it up for a reason, otherwise you would not have expended the effort to type it out. There are other players who have not mentioned you either, and you chose to ignore them and focus on EddieFenix. How come? Is he your buddy?

The last two questions are not something I do when scumhunting, but I see it a lot and it's not alignment indicative. I prefer open ended questions like "Why did you call attention to his post, then?" The rest of the post - the observations about what you posted and didn't post - are relevant and they are part of the basis of his read at the time.

Stubbs:

Why, specifically, does that make oriole scum?

Because it looks like he's looking for an easy wagon to jump on.
Additionally, not sharing any reads might make it easy to jump to another wagon if this one isn't a good one.

Pretty sure he gave reasons in a later post.

Also not liking cognitive dissonance in complaining that he doesn't give any reads, meanwhile Stubbs is making huge efforts to assure us that his town game is to not share any reads and just sheep people onto scum. Uhhh contradiction much?

This is also pretty accurate, though it could have been worded more neutrally. I'd probably have left out "making huge efforts to" in a post to you, though I'd say that and more if I were slugging it out with a few players not in this game that come to mind.

He says he went to "look for he right quotes" and then never brought it up again.

Well the thread was locked for a bit yesterday while I was around. The quote in particular is post 429 where you say that you just follow others onto scum. That's the cognitive dissonance I was referring to.

Anyways it's my birthday today (the big 2-8 omg), I'll be around tomorrow.

And I don't see anything about this last one that looks like he's discrediting you.

Town or scum, his job is to tell the thread why his scum reads look scummy to him, and probe for more information. That's what he's doing here.

Stubbs, these are some of the very posts that caused me to upgrade my read of Zoidberg from null/scum to null/town. Whether he's right about you or not, he's going after you on stuff that looks objectively scummy. Town players sometimes do objectively scummy stuff and get called on it. If they can explain the town motivation for saying what they said, then most of the suspicion usually goes away. If they have a meta history of foot-in-mouth disease or ambiguous play or slow starts, then usually someone brings that up (often the player under suspicion) and it's factored into what eventually becomes a consensus read.

[Rift Adrift]

I"m weighing this offended reaction and sense of being discredited, though. I mean redirecting me to these posts after I used them in my huge wall about you, Stubbs, is on one level kinda wtf, did you not read my post? And on another level, the offended vibe feels genuine though being offended by a perceived inference is not unique to town.

[Titus]

How about WT*, can you focus on anyone but Stubbs? He's not allowed to give an opinion that differs from your wall now?

[Rift Adrift]

How about WT*, can you focus on anyone but Stubbs? He's not allowed to give an opinion that differs from your wall now?

He asked me my opinion on posts I'd already opined about in a post that was all about him.

Also, I think you misread my tone in that post. That was me softening my read. When Syr is around we'll discuss this and see if our consensus about Stubbs changes.

[oriole]

@Metal Sonic - I was on a plane (you can actually see the airline safety card in the last pic), so paper was easier than typing out on my phone.

More condensed version:

Town:
Amrun - strong, consistent scumhunting and cases that make sense to me
TiphaneDeath - tunneled, but made cases while doing so and backed up reads
Titus - Reminds me of Newbie 1396, and I'm willing to swallow the whole "shot" business. The rofl scum read seems like it would unnecessarily draw attention to her as scum.
roflcopter - Disagree with Titus on the whole can't see trajectory point, it's there (see 1003 and 1116)
Slandaar - Attentive (first to point out Baezu's post), strong defense of Stubbs

Leaning Town:
BROseidon - overall, comes off as sincere and town
Xiao - I believe the exchanges with Amrun are town vs. town, but the posting style (mostly of Jabarkus) annoys me.
Rift Adrift - Generally been proactive and been forthcoming with reads

Null:
Metal Sonic - I don't see anything inherantly scummy about him calling elvis VI Town and has offered some reads
Stubbs - I like his later posts more. I think when I kept my vote on him earlier I was looking for reasons to keep my vote on him rather than moving my vote elsewhere
PeregrineV - This read was before his giant catch-up, so I'll have to go back and read that.
ArcAngel9 - To be honest, I'm not really sure what to make of her current posts, so I need more.

Leaning Scum:
one of {Ghostly/Aunt Jemina} - I'm unsettled by the insistence on multiball from AJ. The inclusion of Metal Sonic in 1179 with two of her scum reads was strange. My problems with the Ghostly hydra are mainly the long time it took to come up with a suspect worth a vote, and the reversal of reads on RA read similar to something they attacked RA for earlier in the game. Overall, they've been pushing each other hard while leaving their votes elsewhere, which I find a little strange.
Baezu - Prior to her catch-up, so I'll have to make sure this is current. I had Baezu higher than elvis because it seemed odd for Baezu to attack someone who had been generally defending her instead of one of the other lurkers/easy targets.

Scum:
elvis_knits - In 421, says she'll work on a more concise and conclusive post, but I don't see any following. There's also been the attacks on Xiao/Titus/Tiphane and calling lurker lynches bad while voting for Metal Sonic.
Zoidberg - There's a bunch of fence-sitting early and asking people to sell him on wagons, followed by him focusing on Stubbs. I feel like he found and selected a safe target to go after. I'll need to go over why Rift Adrift thinks he's town, though.
EddieFenix - His posts were just reads lists early. He made a big deal over how Tiphane was totally off his radar and couldn't read him, only to vote him his next post with the reason being he didn't like a question asked. He heavily implied AJ was scum in 911, but backed down on it when pressed in 916.

[roflcopter]

i' m ready to induct oriole into team obvtown

[Rift Adrift]

[TiphaineDeath]

I want to hear more from PV.....

[Titus]

I think inducting most anyone into team obv-town is a little early at this stage. Oriole is leaning town and I wouldn't vote for him today, but it's day 1. If we are, or the scum believe we are, in a multi-ball scenario, it is much easier for them scum hunt.

[Rift Adrift]

Titus, plz lighten up.