I disagree, mafia is winning right now. There is no reason to self vote and act all hopeless if he is mafia, that's a desperate mafia play.In post 595, jon_h61 wrote:In post 428, Feel It wrote:Well, how is he towny? At first I wanted to avoid lynching him due to him being an easy target bandwagon that scum will often build. (look who is on the wagon). Flench selfvoting is awful townplay at best, downright scummy at worst which is what lowered my estimation of his alignment.Can you explain the cognitive dissonance going on here? It's bad play for flinch to self-vote but then you turn around and do it?In post 581, Feel It wrote:VOTE: Feel it
Ehh fuck it let's find out. Town pretty much lost the game last night anyway.
What's the deal with the fuck it comment? You just want to pretend it's everyone else's fault if Town loses? Ifyou're scum then this is good play,otherwise not so much.
In post 514, Desperado wrote:In post 513, Flench wrote:Radioactive Wolf has been gone for 4 days. Has he been prodded?Weekends don't count towards prods. He just crossed the prod threshold 34 minutes ago.
Radioactive Wolf has been prodded.
How about making a paragraph (2 or 3 sentences why you're the best vote Town can make, please. You do realize you've been playingIn post 607, Feel It wrote:vote me pls
See I disagree, you seem to be on theory that "Bad play = Scum" when truthfully it doesn't work that way, I think it's very possible that his self vote is him legitimately being frustrated with the game and seeing himself as a distraction and thinking it's optimal to remove him out of the way as stupid as that is. And if we're going on the "Selfvoting = A ploy and act" type of reasoning Lucky selfvoted and flipped town, Flench selfvoted and I have a town read on him so if anything selfvoting probably a mild town tell. Also right now it's less of me being certain that he's town and more of I think N64 and Radioactives slot have a higher chance of flipping mafia so if you think I'm wrong on either try and explain why to me.In post 609, jon_h61 wrote:Impetus, really, do you want this going on again tomorrow. Please read through feelit's ISO and tell me why we (Town) should keep him around. If he'd even make a half-hearted attempt, then I could maybe look for scum elsewhere. His petulant act, and I repeat act is a scum ploy. Or one the worst Townies I had the pleasure to meet.
Nice use of the quotes there, that is definitely what I said.In post 616, evilpacman18 wrote:"I had a town read on you this whole time but now you're not helping so instead of ignoring you I'm gonna lynch you when we have 3 dead town in a single day"
I'm so glad you agreeIn post 618, Flench wrote:that is definitely what I said.
In post 473, Impetus wrote:I don't know if I'll be on again before the deadline, have a lot of real life things eating up my time at the moment. For what it's worth my scum read on Lucky is decreasing in strength and really I think I want a Feel It lynch still, if not that then either Radioactive or even N64, did a brief meta check and (I think someone brought this up earlier) the gimmick making him hard to understand might actually very much be tactically done as scum.
In post 530, Impetus wrote:Feel It, why did you instantaneously assume it was a SK over a vig?
I think I want either a N64, Feel It or RadoiactiveWolf lynch. I need to reread the thread soon first though.I bring these up because he bends over backwards to "beleive" feelit is town, and in addition to leaving a lynch canidate(lucky2u) as null, when he had made exhaustive posts on every single player and could have reported if anybody expected a mislynch going into it. I feel like I say this every game but... when you have 3-5 scumspects, you shouldn't let the d1 lynch be on someone you are neutral on, especially if they have no connection to any of your scumspects. Also his later reasoning for scum mnemoic is off the wall and ignores the posting history of multiple people.
In post 611, Impetus wrote:See I disagree, you seem to be on theory that "Bad play = Scum" when truthfully it doesn't work that way, I think it's very possible that his self vote is him legitimately being frustrated with the game and seeing himself as a distraction and thinking it's optimal to remove him out of the way as stupid as that is. And if we're going on the "Selfvoting = A ploy and act" type of reasoning Lucky selfvoted and flipped town, Flench selfvoted and I have a town read on him so if anything selfvoting probably a mild town tell. Also right now it's less of me being certain that he's town and more of I think N64 and Radioactives slot have a higher chance of flipping mafia so if you think I'm wrong on either try and explain why to me.In post 609, jon_h61 wrote:Impetus, really, do you want this going on again tomorrow. Please read through feelit's ISO and tell me why we (Town) should keep him around. If he'd even make a half-hearted attempt, then I could maybe look for scum elsewhere. His petulant act, and I repeat act is a scum ploy. Or one the worst Townies I had the pleasure to meet.If you think feel it is town bring up a better reason than "selfvoting is now a towntell". I'm starting to think that I was the only person who expected lucky2u to flip scum, and I just want to know why you people won't argue against something, but assume you can take credit for knowing a player's alignment after a mislynch?
Regarding radioactivewolf...
I see his vote and argument on sth4r as natural based on progression of the thread and I liked how the questions he gave people would get discussion and punish people for vague behavior, but his last few posts were an awful downward spiral.In post 277, Radioactive Wolf wrote:Yeah, so did I. It's hard to understand for me.In post 275, jon_h61 wrote:pedit @ Radioactive I made that post as I was reading the ISOs of the players. I'd have to reread his ISO to see the points I liked. I didn't make any notes as I went. I'll get back to you on what I saw.
I actually agree with whoever said Flench looks bad. The only justification we got for his current vote is that "his [radiant's] ISO looks bad", which is pretty much the same thing that he gave after he voted me. When pressed for details he either doesn't give any or gives vague ones (like the "trivial arguments" one he gave about me in Post 224). And this most recent exchange with theo is making me think that he's voting first and then making up stuff as he goes along to retroactively justify his vote.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flench
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