Micro 215: Shitty Joke Smalltown (over)

[Maestro]

lol two of us didn't how to pick numbers in a draft and it wasn't me or NS

in order of preference:

Vanillaizer -> Lightningrod OR 1-Shot DayVig -> Neighbourizer -> Loved -> Tracker -> Self-Watcher -> Non-Consecutive Commuter -> Bodyguard

P-Edit: TROLOLOL

[Maestro]

POKE HIM

POKE

HIM

[Maestro]

(goddamnit NS)

CLARIFICATION: the Neighbourizer is NOT 1-Shot and is included in the Neighbourhoods he or she creates and those Neighbourhoods are separate?

[Maestro]

yes

[Maestro]

Heh, I knew BG would be least-loved

[Maestro]

TOO LATE!

[Maestro]

lrn2draft

[Maestro]

u mad bro?

we dun even have alignments yet

now stop bussing me, fucker

[Maestro]

[Maestro]

"produces the opposite" would be a better way to phrase that

VOTE: nickthename

[Maestro]

JKM, why would would we plan something in public, or rather, why would you suggest we plan something in public when we're on a truly level playing field with the Scum at this point in time, at least information-wise? planning things out in public is only the best idea if there is claiming/clearing (usually of PR's) involved, or if there is an auto-Win strategy conceived. any other time public planning simply serves to inform Scum about actions which would otherwise be more unpredictable and (hopefully) more to our advantage

all that being said, Fuddy needs to stop the patronizing tone - it makes me want to lynch his face

[Maestro]

probably, but in my current mood (which can be interpreted as reclining in a plush chair with a crisp glass of whine) I find it annoying

[Maestro]

(...) every game of mafia would start with all the PRs claiming so that town would be on a "truly level" playing field. Given that scum already know exactly who they want to pick off, I would say town are decidedly disadvantaged compared to normal.

I disagree, insofar as Town claiming just to "put themselves on a level playing field" is decidedly antiTown in almost any

OTHER

setup, since Scum have a chance to lie about their role. You forget that while we do not know

WHO

Scum is, we do know

WHAT

they are - or more usefully, we know what they are not. The setup is essentially open, alignment is the only thing which can or would be up for debate in this game. Therefore I consider us on a level playing field - yes Scum knows what Town's power is exactly, but given process of elimination and Night Action analyzation (which I will be a huge proponent of in this setup/game), I consider us to be most definitely "advantaged" (to use your phrase) compared to normal.

I'll follow that up by adding that I believe refusing to claim Night Actions at any point in this game should be considered a Scumclaim.

[Maestro]

Yes, I mean we know what's

in the game

. That could seem trivial to you, and I was probably explaining in a roundabout way, but you obviously didn't get the full gist of my point because this:

Suppose rather than drafting these roles, we were each randomly assigned them (but were still informed of the complete list of roles), then randomly assigned alignment. Is the correct play for everybody to claim their role to create a level playing field?

...is something I would answer "no" to. You're not understanding me 100%. I'm saying that in a setup where Scum does not have the opportunity to lie about their Role, we essentially start off on what I consider to be a more advantageous footing/"level playing field", since Scum can now be more easily ousted through Night Action analyzation and process of elimination. In a setup where Scum have the chance to lie about their Role within reason (even if simply by claiming VT) there is considerably less proTown support for claiming as soon as possible.

The easiest example would be Stubbs, who (if Scum) would be obligated to choose his claimed/actual target carefully when claiming to us, since his Role is protective and must take into account the gamestate at the end of the previous Day as well as any Death the previous Night, etc. There are other examples, but it's 3 AM and I'm going to bed. Hopefully you understand what I've been trying to say.

P.S. RE - "this is all just theory" - maybe, but a) it's relevant theory, b) provides something for everyone to comment on and thus (hopefully) starts to ride us out of the doldrums, and c) I would think it gives me some insight into the mindset of every commenter via their personal thoughts. Maybe even looking at who comments vs. who doesn't could lead to some interesting association/insight into player(s) mindset/alignment. Discussion, however broadly related to the game as a whole rather than the game at hand, is usually not a bad thing - especially when not much else is going on.

P-Edit: lol, well said. I kinda want Stubbs to be Scum just so we can watch him squirm over his increasingly painful Night Action claims.

Also, for anybody who cares to try metaing me, I've been getting into this doldrums lately with my play (read: I've been sucking royally) so I'm trying to get back to my roots a little bit with my play here. A recently completed game of Bad Idea Mafia in Mayfair would most likely provide the most interesting disparity in my playstyle when compared with the "me" you'll see here.

[Maestro]

I just used the word doldrums twice in one post without noticing so there's dark magic afoot my young padawans

[Maestro]

anyway yeah Stubbs might actually be Scum so let's wagon this motherfucker

VOTE: Stubbs

[Maestro]

OHOKISEEWHATYOU'RESAYINGNOW, in that case, yes, that would also level the field IMO - Scum would be forced to claim truthfully therein (unless [as you said] they switched claims with a partner or had a deathwish) and it would follow the same patterns and produce the same result (IMO) as if the roles had been Mod-confirmed.

I'm not entirely used to the idea of a truly Open setup, so I think that's what I'm trying to discuss at the moment. Most of the time an entire unique list of Roles isn't made public knowledge, so Scum have better opportunities to fakeclaim/fakeaction.

goodnight

[Maestro]

switching claims with a partner would be almost as stupid as fakeclaiming/deathwishing in a truly Open setup like this one - again it would be Role interactions that would call this out and/or the Scum may just fall apart trying to maintain what is basically their partner's claim/fakeaction

[Maestro]

lol Stubbs, reachin' and sowin' doubt like a bauss

[Maestro]

What do you think of their discussion?

^ @everybody

[Maestro]

the purpose wasn't to scream Town, perhaps you missed the point
I want you to comment on the things we said, not the conversation as a whole

[Maestro]

uh, not really? that relies on one/both of you being Town, which is nowhere near something I'm willing to suspect

couple questions for N:

Generally speaking, in any case where an active ability is present, would the Tracker track both the active ability and a Mafia NK, or would they be given results on only one or the other?

If the Non-Consecutive Commuter were Scum, would he be able to perform the Mafia NK on the same Night as he is commuting?
If so, would the NK be Tracked by the Tracker vis a vis the first question?

Will the Vanillaizer resolve before a NK? (e.g. would Vanillaizing the BG or the Rod eliminate their effects on the NK for that Night if they used their active Abilities? would this depend on every Action used on that particular Night?)

[Maestro]

uh, not really? that relies on one/both of you being Town, which is nowhere near something I'm willing to accept

EBWOQ

[Maestro]

lol, also don't you choose when to Lightning Rod?

[Maestro]

because ^ is some laughable AtE with a side of D1 wagon over-reaction

[Maestro]

I missed that random alignment part.
I'm the only thing protecting the powerful roles, why would you want to throw that away?

How do you know the powerful roles are town?

How do you know which powerful role to protect?

VOTE: Maestro

Hi. Why the stupid questions and the irrelevant vote?

[Maestro]

maybe

I will consider it if you vo- OH COOL

[Maestro]

Anyway, since you're all voting me, how about this?

Let's not lynch me today...
Let me do my work as a bodyguard, and probably die anyway.
If I fail to die, you can still lynch me later on.

I'm the only thing protecting the powerful roles, why would you want to throw that away?

because ^ is some laughable AtE with a side of D1 wagon over-reaction

Let's look at this for a minute and wonder if Stubbs is actually this bad or if he's Scum.
I'm hoping to give him the benefit of the doubt and just say he's Scum.

[Maestro]

Want some popcorn there, NS?

[Maestro]

Want some popcorn there, NS?

[Maestro]

chk, I'm way more concerned with his lack of presence/response than anything else.

[Maestro]

...you just left the person you're voting to hammer (out of the blue, without explanation, when we've SAID we want to wait for him to return/discuss) the person your previous target was voting?

jesus fuck are you this bad or are you his buddy

[Maestro]

^ jumping to the conclusion that Stubbs is Town, noted

[Maestro]

I did. Means jack shit to me till he flips.