Mini 1484 - Pick Your Partners (Game Over)

[T S O]

Yeah Varsoon's town too.

Mainly because I don't think Varsoon would say what he just said if he were actually a partner with someone.

I have no idea why you'd assume this and it seems staged as fuck.

[Titus]

PoE stands for Process of Elimination. Ex: In a three player game if Adam and Brian aren't scum, then Charlie must be scum.

Varsoon is being town Varsoon here IMO. Varsoon has this magnetic pull that makes his town actions seem scummy and his scummy actions seem town. :S

[Haschel Cedricson]

In post 59, Pjovek wrote:
With the votes being 3-3 between two players, The Pjovek is a man of weighing decisions.

He decides on the spider.

VOTE: TheGargantula

This is one of the worst votes, especially considering this post:
In post 113, Pjovek wrote:
So yes, you are scummier than the people that refuse to share the lists because "it's too easy".
Yes, it's easy as shit. I'm not against an ez win. And while people refusing it is usually lame, it's not downright scum.
You're painting the situation as something it just isn't. And then you try to lynch me on that basis.
Yeah, that means you're scum.

What I did wasn't scummy, but he voted me for it?

This is the best part of a pretty decent post.

Unvote

[Haschel Cedricson]

PoE stands for Process of Elimination. Ex: In a three player game if Adam and Brian aren't scum, then Charlie must be scum.

Varsoon is being town Varsoon here IMO. Varsoon has this magnetic pull that makes his town actions seem scummy and his scummy actions seem town. :S

What actions do you think seem scummy (and therefore town)?

[T S O]

This is a really stupid line of questioning, guys. Basically if Varsoon acts scummy, he's town, if he acts town, we can't call him scum for it, and he can manipulate his play easily to suit either.

[Haschel Cedricson]

This is a really stupid line of questioning, guys.

This particular line isn't stupid.

[TheGarantula]

Varsoon has this magnetic pull that makes his town actions seem scummy and his scummy actions seem town. :S

Could you elaborate on this some more? Or do you have any specific games in mind that we could look at?

I know that Pjovek and Garantula were near the bottom of my list,
I'm town,
So I can discern they both probably aren't with me, since they wouldn't have any reasons to put me at the top of their lists, since we don't know each other.

Vote: Pjovek

You're at the bottom of my list, and your interactions are bad.

Rather than setup speculation, which gets us nowhere and scum will want to milk to their own ends, why don't we, y'know, actually play the game.

Pjovek's interactions are pinging my scumdar.
He should explain the mental process behind them.

So you've nullified half of your reasoning for voting Pjovek (The crap about lists). Now your vote just hinges on his bad interactions. What interactions are you wanting explained, and how was he supposed to know just from those posts? It doesn't seem to me like you actually want a response.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Pjovek (4): DrDolittle, Does Bo Know, Titus, Varsoon

Mutleyddmc (3): T S O, Mutleyddmc, nickthename
Egg (1): Guy_Named_Riggs
DrDolittle (1): Pjovek
Varsoon (1): TheGarantula
TheGarantula (1): Egg

Not voting (1): Natirasha

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is September 1st, 2 p.m. CEST.

[TheGarantula]

@Mod: I think you mixed up Pjovek and DrDolittle's wagons

[IceGuy]

@Mod: I think you mixed up Pjovek and DrDolittle's wagons

Fixed.

[Natirasha]

While Pjovek's assertions are pretty misguided, his posts seem to be town-motivated though. There can definitely be an argument made for list claiming(even if I disagree). The worst part of his posts is the OMGUS vote, though. I'm like 30% on Pjovek, I guess.

ANd yeah, Post 129 resolved my thoughts on the Varsoon thing.

[T S O]

mmmmmmm.

G_N_R, opinion on Varsoon?

[Does Bo Know]

Yeah Varsoon's town too.

Mainly because I don't think Varsoon would say what he just said if he were actually a partner with someone.

I have no idea why you'd assume this and it seems staged as fuck.

He assumes that VT's are "partnered" with each other, if I understood him correctly.

He's also assuming more than 2 people are "partnered" with him on the town side.

That makes me think he's VT, because as any other alignment, I feel like he wouldn't make or focus on the assumption that VT's are partners with each other.

[T S O]

Yeah, but I don't see why him assuming VT's are partners is a towntell as opposed to basic speculation. He says he suspects he's town, so he's not sure, he pulls a bunch of random names out of thin air and says they're automatically town with him because he's guessing they might have had him high in their lists, and you question none of this and call him town.

I don't buy it.

[Does Bo Know]

Well, you don't have to buy it then.

I think 90 and 92 seem townie the way those posts flowed together. They both seem like he is genuinely VT and that he's trying to find out who's town with him.

(And for the record, read 90 again. He doesn't suspect that he's town, so he's not sure. He suspects other people are town with him. I'd normally let him defend himself, but that seemed obvious enough for me to point out for you.)

[T S O]

[quote="In post 139, Does Bo Know]I think 90 and 92 seem townie the way those posts flowed together. They both seem like he is genuinely VT and that he's trying to find out who's town with him.[/quote]

It doesn't seem like he's trying to find out who's Town with him to me. He suspects certain people are Town with him. He gives no reasoning for it. It's like doubt without doubt. And he doesn't try to find out what you think of that, he gives a reason which can't be checked or verified in any way and basically is guesswork and WIFOM.

[T S O]

fuck you too quotebox :[

[Does Bo Know]

Eh, I guess you have some points.

I'm still not inclined to believe he's scum yet, though. What is your read on Varsoon ATM?

[T S O]

It's not just Varsoon's play, though. It was how quickly Titus and you accepted him as Town. I've played with Titus recently in a game I desperately wish I was alive in, and I know she was stubborn and pushed against the tide in that game, not accepting anything quickly and questioning. It was disturbing how rapid the change was, to be honest. And you're a good player too, but you immediately accepted Varsoon into the town bloc and you don't seem to have a case that really justifies him being town.

I'm not sure is Varsoon scum, but his posts haven't screamed town either and you and Titus' odd reaction leave me inclined to lean scum.

[Does Bo Know]

I quickly got caught up in my own "setup speculation" theory, and you talked me out of it. I actually dish out a lot of town reads like that early game, and then change my mind.

So now he's neutral, because he hasn't done much otherwise.

[Varsoon]

Assume this scenario, T S O.
I like Titus.
I like DBK.
I like Nick The Name.
I put them all high on my list.
I think Titus likes me.
I think DBK likes me.
I think Nick the name likes me.
I think they all put me at the top of their lists.
I'm town.
I've got to have partners.
It follows that they're the people who wanted to be in the same faction (partnered) with me.
Those are my candidates.

[Varsoon]

T S O, where was I on your list?
Please, don't flatter me too much.

[Does Bo Know]

Varsoon, I honestly don't think VT's are partners. Unless I missed something in the setup.

[Titus]

I understand your hesitance. Town Varsoon tends to be straight forward. He was also #1 on my pyp list, so that may color things. Yet, I have seen scum Varsoon, check open 512. DBK hosted it and I grilled Varsoonscum within an inch of his life.

[Natirasha]

I'm confused, how are we using the term "partners" here?