Micro 213 - Scumhunter's Speed [GAME OVER]

[Makiavel]

xeg : /fp means /facepalm

[JKMatthews]

Maki L-1ing without making sure it was clear, and seemingly opportunistically?
Pressuring Psyche to lynch with the threat of being read as scum?
Bert/Maki is seeming much more likely to me.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Maki
Of the pair, I think Maki's more likely overall, and really Bert is just an associative tell linked to Maki, so Maki gets the vote!

I was not being facetious when I called the exclamation point at the end of this post weird. Can you, er, account for it?

Sorry, forgot you commented on that. I can't really, no... Not sure what you're expecting here. My writing style is affected by my mood a lot, I guess?

I think Maki's giving up really only solidifies the scum read, I really can't understand town just saying "screw it" and not participating anymore.
Also, if (when, really) Maki flips scum then Bert looks incredibly likely, and if Maki's somehow town then Xeg is almost 100%, so a Maki lynch is great either way.

The level which Fifty/Psyche has been engaging has given me a town read almost all game (since I decided he was town mid-D1), can you explain the scumread read to me, Bert? I'm not seeing it, and it feels like you're setting up some lynches to go after over the next few days if you have to bus Maki today...

[Antihero]

Vote Count #3

Bertkerberos - 1 (Xegarus)
Makiavel - 2 (Samuel L Jackson, JKMatthews)
Xegarus - 3 (Makiavel, Bertkerberos, Psyche)

Not Voting: No one

Deadline: (expired on 2013-08-23 00:31:32)

[Makiavel]

reason I give up even as town is when u cant understand my point & there's no reason to keep it going, if you want to vote me, so be it, but don't blame it on me afterwards when I kept going for multiple posts over & over about what you consider scummy in me. Yes, villagers say screw it sometimes, unless you've been playing weird kind of games where everyone's straight in his shoes & doesn't get pissed off.

[JKMatthews]

That mindset just implies the only part of the game is defending yourself... which is more true for scum than town, hence the suspicion.

You're not even the leading wagon, so it just seems like an AtE...

[Psyche]

I think Maki's giving up really only solidifies the scum read, I really can't understand town just saying "screw it" and not participating anymore.

Lucky did this Day 1.

[Bertkerberos]

Hi Psyche are you here

[Bertkerberos]

That mindset just implies the only part of the game is defending yourself... which is more true for scum than town, hence the suspicion.

Please explain what makes you think this or generalize like this.

Using this as ammunition for a case... really??

[Psyche]

I am always aroundd.

[JKMatthews]

Lucky did this Day 1.

Yeah, I know. And it was suspicious then. "Not understand" doesn't equate to "doesn't happen", just "it seems more likely to come from scum".

Please explain what makes you think this or generalize like this.

Using this as ammunition for a case... really??

It's not really a generalisation, I'm referring to specifically this situation. Perhaps "defending yourself" is a bad choice of words... more "not being seen as scum"...
Let's say townMaki is constantly being read as scum. "Giving up" on making a point, when his top suspect (Xeg) is at L-1, doesn't make sense. Comments like "well if you think I'm scum, vote me" or "do you disagree with my argument or just think I'm scum?" and such make sense, but I don't understand why townMaki would essentially say "I'm making valid points but some people think I'm scummy, so I give up".

And it's not really ammunition for a case. I already suspect it's either Xeg/? or Bert/Maki, so it's more just confidence in my vote.

[Psyche]

Why would scum specifically choose to give up? It sounds like a dumb thing to do for any alliance. :/

[JKMatthews]

I'm not saying I think he's doing it tactically, if that's what you mean. I'm saying to be viewing his current situation as hopeless, Maki's goal mustn't be getting his top scum-read lynched...

[Psyche]

Now that I think of it, I've actually never seen scum announce that they give up. If I had my laptop, I'd do a study on this, but yeah. Scum have more to lose in terms of meeting their win condition from being lynched than town do. >_>

[Psyche]

I'm not saying I think he's doing it tactically, if that's what you mean. I'm saying to be viewing his current situation as hopeless, Maki's goal mustn't be getting his top scum-read lynched...

I don't think maki was aware of his favorable position.

[JKMatthews]

Hmm, I see your point, but do you see mine? What you said doesn't seem to agree/disagree with my points... If Xeg is Maki's top scumread, Xeg is at L-1, and Maki is at L-2 with one of his voters about to be replaced... what exactly is inspiring him to give up if he's town and people are becoming slightly suspicious.
I would say "I give up" is more likely to be Maki employing AtE, and/or justifying not talking much, as every time he talks he attracts suspicion...

If Maki's town, who do you think scum are? (Xeg + ?)
If Xeg is town, who do you think scum are?

P-Edit: I suppose that changes things if it's true... I'd really rather have heard that from Maki than you then.

[Psyche]

Sorry about that.

If maki's town, then it's between bert, xeg, and sammy.
If xeg's town, it's between bert, sammy and the easter bunny.

[Bertkerberos]

That's a large lynch pool, Psyche.

Is that the best you can do?

Please reach out to Nacho, too.

[Psyche]

By my calculations, we can mislynch one time without losing the game. So if I can produce a three person lynch pool that includes the last two scum, then I'm just three Days from winning the game.

[Psyche]

Oh, we can mislynch 2 times. That's fantastic.

[Bertkerberos]

But if you're wrong about Xeg or Maki, and either is mislynched, then it becomes LYLO, with your three person lynch pool.

I'm not following what you're saying...

explain further?

[Psyche]

But if you're wrong about Xeg or Maki, and either is mislynched, then it becomes LYLO, with your three person lynch pool.

I'm not following what you're saying...

explain further?

We should not mislynch maki. Maki's not in my pool.

If xeg is town, then there are only two people left in my pool, versus three others.

The easter bunny is not a real player.

[JKMatthews]

Well we may be in trouble here. If Xeg flips town, I really don't understand how it's not Maki as scum.
While I concede Xeg mayyy be scum, it's looking much more Maki/Bert to me, and the only reason I'd consider getting behind a Xeg lynch is as a failsafe we've found the other 2 scum.
I'd join you on Bert, but I still feel like it may also be possible that Maki is scum without Bert (but not the other way around), and so if Bert were to be lynched, flips town, and you still won't lynch Maki we're in the same place...

I also don't see how Bert and Xeg could be scum together from their behaviour... mind pointing it out to me?

[Psyche]

I haven't really thought of interaction. No one seems to fit the scum mold very well. My pool is of people who don't fit the town mold well enough to be out of the question as lynch options.

I can't believe you find maki scummy.

Bert hasn't explained his profound shift on on maki to me yet, has he?

[JKMatthews]

Fair enough then. I think once we find one more scum the house of cards will come tumbling down... which is really why I'm hoping the Sam Jackson slot either isn't scum or becomes pretty damn active...

I feel like the only things that say Maki can be town is meta tells? And I really don't like relying on other people's meta tells...

No he hasn't, I agree. But if Bert is scummy for it, doesn't it imply that Maki would have to be his partner? Otherwise I don't understand why you find it suspicious...

[Psyche]

Why can't he just be opportunistic?