Open 508: The Law of the Jungle (Town Wins!)

[Voodoo Lady]

I'm not cool with a Slimer lynch.

Stubbs is mafia and Boro is wolf. My vote's on Boro because I'd rather kill the wolf today, but killing mafia wouldn't be bad either.

[Voodoo Lady]

VOTE: Stubbs

Also, happy birthday, Slimer. :0)

[theslimer3]

I'm not rushing, really. The game's kinda slowed down today because we're all split on lynch decisions.

Good thing we didn't have this problem yesterday or the day before. Or any other game.

[Bulbazak]

The Jungle Book

is a collection of short stories. It is not a novel.

Vote Count:

StubbsKVM (3): BoroPhil, Does Bo Know, Voodoo Lady

L-1

Does Bo Know (1): Theslimer3
Voodoo Lady (0):
Jennifer (0):
BoroPhil (0):
Theslimer3 (2): StubbsKVM, Jennifer

Not voting (0):

It is day 4. With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day ends on Tuesday August 27 at 2:45pm EST or when a majority is reached.

[Does Bo Know]

Wait a sec. You'll see what i'm doing

Waiting for this

[theslimer3]

I was waiting for stubbs to ask why so I called him scum for what he did so he can see how being vague doesn't help. But I guess the mouse didn't come out his house for the cheese.

[Does Bo Know]

Do you see yourself voting Stubbs?

[theslimer3]

Yes, but only because of poe to Me. And unfortunately I don't see your lynch happening.

But i'm too afraid to let you go because i'm so certain

[StubbsKVM]

UNVOTE:

Slimer's not hammering?
Maybe I am wrong(again?)

I don't really get what you're trying to say Slimer??

hmm. I need a reread.

[StubbsKVM]

Robocopter makes 0 mentions of Voodoo Lady in all of his posts.

I fail to see what's scummy about not wanting a wagon to form one and a half pages into the thread.

But Voodoo's first non-RVS post is directed at Robo.

Her only other mentions of him are

Thank you for saying this so I don't have to say this like I always have to.

And then this reaction to Darthe's claim

Rereading the thread. Did

not

expect it to end like that. Jeez, Saki.

I'm town seer. Viewed Robocop last night. He is a wolf.

VOTE: vote robocopter

I'd like to see if there's a counterclaim before we pile on his wagon.

The first mention of Robo looks like an attempts to immediately distance.

Next:

Picking wolves over mafia on D1 is optimal scumplay. You dig?

I don't. Obviously I agree that mafia would want to kill wolves D1, but so do we. They're the only ones with a kill that can be made without town input.

Also, can you please answer which of Stubbs, Slimer, IceGuy, and Phil are towniest in your book and why? Thanks.

You're the only person who brought up the issue D1, so I'm going to say it's not a pressing matter for the town D1.

Right now I'd say Slimer. Phil's pretty clean too but some of his early play was a bit sketchy.

Phil's pretty clean, yet she has voted him all day until now.

From my perspective, Boro's got an 80% chance of being scum. So I wouldn't mind hammering him.

But I will agree with him that Ice Guy's being hella suspicious. First post after he subs in, he parks his vote on the lurker. Then he dredges up a shitty argument against the guy at L-1. I'm starting to think that maybe it's not an accident that he's going after all the easy targets.

I'm alright lynching Boro if it comes down to that. But I'd rather an Ice Guy lynch at this point.

VOTE: Ice Guy

I would rather not hit nulls in lylo. I could go for Slimer.

Slimer's struck me as pretty null. What makes you think otherwise?

Yet here, Phil is suddenly 80% scum and Slimer is now somehow null. She only has made 1 post between these 2 posts, so what made her shift her reads so fast? Convenient?

What percent chance does IceGuy have of being scum, in your opinion? And could you summarize your reasons for them being scum?

80%. There are five players who I'm not certain are town. There are four scum still alive. 4/5 = 80%.

I think I've already explained that I think Ice Guy's behavior is hella opportunistic.

Currently, where 10 is definite scum and 1 is definite town--

Ice Guy - 8
Stubbs - 8
Jennifer - 6
Boro - 6
Slimer - 5
Bo - 2
Titus - 2
Voodoo - 1

next, we go to this. Now Phil and Slimer are suddenly both in the middle?

Then there's

This isn't going to work. I want to be in the game, but not right now. If I V/La you'll lynch me.

Would you all refer I replace out, or can we be civilized while I take a little break from MS?

Slimer, are you the wolf?

Because if so, you should claim.

and

Here's the deal-- if we lynch the wolf today we're at LyLo.

The wolf claims. We agree to keep the wolf alive under the condition that they serve as our vigilante until all the scum are dead. This effectively gives us a double lynch.

If the wolf fails to kill all the mafia and there are three players left, then they win the game if they place their vote on the scum. Thus, they are not playing against wincon. (And there's no way they can rig the scenario up like that, because not killing scum will make a mafia victory.

The first one is a setup for the second one, the second one being a totally weird play. Now that I see it again, I can see this as the wolf reaching out.

Outing the wolf just to kill it would be completely anti-town. We lynch the wolf today, we go down to MyLo with the family totally intact.

I'm completely serious here.

This adds to this assumption.

God damnit, I keep forgetting how majority works with an even number of players. It takes five to lynch, not four.

In that case I'm alright putting Slimer at L-1.

VOTE: Slimer

If you're the wolf, though, I'd be happy to remove my vote.

More assumptions on the wolf.

Also, he's pretty obviously not the wolf since he's claimed VT.

Retracted here.


Then some time later

Boro is wolf, Stubbs is mafia.

VOTE: Boro

Welcome back Phil.

To end with:

I'm not cool with a Slimer lynch.

Stubbs is mafia and Boro is wolf. My vote's on Boro because I'd rather kill the wolf today, but killing mafia wouldn't be bad either.

VOTE: Stubbs

Also, happy birthday, Slimer. :0)

Which is inconsistent with

Well then. That certainly was a pleasant reversal of fortune.

I'm going to agree with Bo here and say that we should go after the wolf today.

[StubbsKVM]

VOTE: Voodoo Lady

I wish I had done this earlier...

[BoroPhil]

there is some merit in all that. Voodoo's case against me today is rubbish and the ease in which she was prepared to go after her mafia target, you, was interesting considering we seem to have all agreed that we want to get the wolf. I certainly have no intention of voting for Jen at this stage even though I'm convinced she is mafia.

Need to think about it some more.

UNVOTE:

[Does Bo Know]

The end of Stubbs's case is stupid, mainly because we did agree that we'd go after a different player for a lynch if our first choice for a wolf probably couldn't go through.

But the rest of it...hm...

UNVOTE:

I'm pretty tired and don't want to post anything else right now. Maybe later.

[BoroPhil]

Stubbs for me to consider not voting for you again, you need to explain your reads at 1062. Treat me as a total idiot.

[Does Bo Know]

UNVOTE:

Slimer's not hammering?
Maybe I am wrong(again?)

I don't really get what you're trying to say Slimer??

hmm. I need a reread.

Why would Slimer quickhammer? Why does Slimer not quick hammering immediately count him as not-scum?

[StubbsKVM]

UNVOTE:

Slimer's not hammering?
Maybe I am wrong(again?)

I don't really get what you're trying to say Slimer??

hmm. I need a reread.

Why would Slimer quickhammer? Why does Slimer not quick hammering immediately count him as not-scum?

Well, he could have at least shown intent to hammer.
I don't think anyone would blame him for hammering, I've been pushing his Lynch constantly. Especially because he can't know my alignment.

[theslimer3]

All of a sudden you're being so descriptive. I'm so proud :')

[BoroPhil]

If we are considering voodoo as wolf we have to ask was her targeting of me plausible. She stated at the start of the day that it had to be someone who suspected Titus as scum. She still has not answered why this had to be the case. For me its irrelevant because a) the wolf might have suspected secretly and b) I think the wolf would have been just as happy to hit town.

So, voodoo's declaration neatly narrows her suspects down to me and Stubbs, although she should have also considered dbk as well.

[StubbsKVM]

Yeah, this is totally wierd. This doesn't seem like mafia play. Maybe Slimer's faking us out because he's the wolf. Voodoo could be using Slimer's words to get me to doubt my reads.

This looks more like resigned wolf. He's overfocusing on the wolf (notice the bold) and throwing out whatever he thinks will stick.

Supposing Slimer is still the lynch, and I live, I am going to have to rethink on Voodoo, especially if Slimer's the wolf. There's enough content here after the flip to move one way or the other.

this makes me think Slimer is mafia.

@Slimer, are you even reading? Voodoo would be a better play but I think Slimer wouldn't consider Slimer because she's bussing him and Slimer won't crossbus. You seem to be protecting Voodoo.

This on the other hand, makes me think Voodoo is town.

A question though if IceGuy is scum. why did he not hammer slimer?

This also makes me think Phil is town.

Right, I missed the end of the last day until now.

Slimer is Mafia.
I have no idea about the wolf. Could be anyone, although I think Phil is less likely.

VOTE: Slimer

Maybe I'm wrong and he's the wolf, who knows. I just don't see him as town.

And anyone who thinks Titus and me could both be mafia are insane.

The first quote looks like Titus is distancing from Slimer by suspecting him to be the wolf.
The next one looks like further distancing from Slimer, and linking Slimer to VL. This makes me think VL is not mafia(I said town earlier, but I'm taking that back, as Titus has nothing to do with VL being wolf.
When you then asked why IceGuy didn't hammer, it showed you were thinking about it, and the question looks genuine, so you are town.

[Does Bo Know]

So, voodoo's declaration neatly narrows her suspects down to me and Stubbs, although she should have also considered dbk as well.

Yeah, I did call her town automatically Day 4, thinking if Voodoo were the wolf she would've claimed at the time she mentioned that the wolf should claim.

It's totally valid that Voodoo was just getting opinions of the plan.

I'm still torn because this could be Stubbs just trying to make sure he isn't the lynch by getting "a true wolf suspect." He never really had one until Slimer didn't want to hammer.

[StubbsKVM]

Yeah, Slimer's comments made me get out of the tunnel and look at others(VL in particular)

[theslimer3]

Yeah, Slimer's comments made me get out of the tunnel and look at others(VL in particular)

I wonder if dbk could do that to me

[Does Bo Know]

Well it certainly doesn't help that you're still my #1 Mafia suspect. When you stop suspecting a player you were tunneling, other things become clear. If you're town, you should try it some time. I stopped tunneling Phil, and since then we're at a pretty good town advantage.

Mafia doesn't want to have the wolf lynched. Leaves them at a heavy disadvantage. So I don't see Slimer's lack of hammer to indicate anything more townie about Slimer.

[StubbsKVM]

The end of Stubbs's case is stupid, mainly because we did agree that we'd go after a different player for a lynch if our first choice for a wolf probably couldn't go through.

But the rest of it...hm...

UNVOTE:

I'm pretty tired and don't want to post anything else right now. Maybe later.

To be honest, I think if she truly believed in it, she would have stayed on her wolf read.

[theslimer3]

Well it certainly doesn't help that you're still my #1 Mafia suspect. When you stop suspecting a player you were tunneling, other things become clear. If you're town, you should try it some time. I stopped tunneling Phil, and since then we're at a pretty good town advantage.

Mafia doesn't want to have the wolf lynched. Leaves them at a heavy disadvantage. So I don't see Slimer's lack of hammer to indicate anything more townie about Slimer.

No. If I were mafia id still want the wolf dead because i'm clearly his next choice for a nk