NFL Football Thread 2013

[Nero Cain]

you are right Shea, I misread that.

I fail.

[Brian Skies]

And the great thing about the U.S. is that if you are rich and/or white enough you can't be proven guilty

FTFY

Pretty funny. Thanks for the help.

[Brian Skies]

Either way, I'd like to put this behind us and talk about what really matters : football in 2013.

Not surprised to see Matt Leinart, Tim Tebow, and Vince Young getting cut. Tim Tebow makes me sad, but the other two never had the drive or work ethic to make it as an NFL QB.

[Thestatusquo]

We are talking about football. And the tacit endorsement of awful people therein.

[PJ.]

And the great thing about the U.S. is that if you are rich and/or white enough you can't be proven guilty

FTFY

Pretty funny. Thanks for the help.

Not sure why the truth is funny.

Either way, I'd like to put this behind us and talk about what really matters : football in 2013.

Not surprised to see Matt Leinart, Tim Tebow, and Vince Young getting cut. Tim Tebow makes me sad, but the other two never had the drive or work ethic to make it as an NFL QB.

Vince Young is the best player out of those 3. Really shitty that he had a mental breakdown after his sophmore slump. I really think that guy could of been something. Definitely the most disappointing bust in quite some time, given his talents.

I really don't feel sorry for Tim Tebow in the least, because he is in a good mental state and is generally a good guy but is being very stubborn and sticking to his guns on this QB thing. He got his fair shot on at least 2 of the 3 teams he has been on, probably fairer then he deserves given his talent in comparison to other talented athletes that didn't get a shot at QB in the NFL. If he was half as grateful for those shots as he says he is, he would move on and accept that he could make a good living in the mold of a Chris Cooley FB/TE Hybrid. Would I be happy if he had a Pat White-esque return in 3 years? Yes, but if he selfishly sticks to his guns on this he deserves to journey as difficult a road as White, or possibly even more difficult cosidering he primarily earned his shots at being an NFL QB by being white, Christian, handsome, a hugely famous celebrity, all-around good guy, and having a great "work ethic" and not by being any good at throwing a football or making reads.

Congratulations to Pat White for making the Redskins 53-man roster, loved this guy at West Virginia and I feel he has always been a much better passer than the likes of Tebow. I would definitely add him to the list of people I'd rather have playing starting quarterback over Ryan Tannehill, Blaine Gabbert, or Mark Sanchez

We are talking about football. And the tacit endorsement of awful people therein.

What's Pac-Man Jones been up to lately?

[Brian Skies]

Vince Young is the best player out of those 3. Really shitty that he had a mental breakdown after his sophmore slump. I really think that guy could of been something. Definitely the most disappointing bust in quite some time, given his talents.

I really don't feel sorry for Tim Tebow in the least, because he is in a good mental state and is generally a good guy but is being very stubborn and sticking to his guns on this QB thing. He got his fair shot on at least 2 of the 3 teams he has been on, probably fairer then he deserves given his talent in comparison to other talented athletes that didn't get a shot at QB in the NFL. If he was half as grateful for those shots as he says he is, he would move on and accept that he could make a good living in the mold of a Chris Cooley FB/TE Hybrid. Would I be happy if he had a Pat White-esque return in 3 years? Yes, but if he selfishly sticks to his guns on this he deserves to journey as difficult a road as White, or possibly even more difficult cosidering he primarily earned his shots at being an NFL QB by being white, Christian, handsome, a hugely famous celebrity, all-around good guy, and having a great "work ethic" and not by being any good at throwing a football or making reads.

Congratulations to Pat White for making the Redskins 53-man roster, loved this guy at West Virginia and I feel he has always been a much better passer than the likes of Tebow. I would definitely add him to the list of people I'd rather have playing starting quarterback over Ryan Tannehill, Blaine Gabbert, or Mark Sanchez

Yeah, I said Tebow makes me sad, not that I was sad for him. I feel like he has the skill set to succeed (not necessarily excel) at the NFL level. His skill set just doesn't fit in as QB. His stubbornness is likely what's holding him back and the Patriots cut him for it.

I agree that Young is the best of that bunch, but he and Leinart partied too much. That's hardly the work ethic that makes a good college football player into a viable NFL starting QB. Also, I never saw why Gabbert was so highly touted as a prospect. He never did anything spectacular in college. I blame Rex Ryan for not developing Sanchez and I think it's too early to grade Tannehill right now. I say wait and see how Tannehill develops.

Pat White is a decent QB, but his chances don't seem that great behind RG III and Kirk Cousins.

[Thestatusquo]

Tim tebow is not a good guy.

[PJ.]

I agree that Young is the best of that bunch, but he and Leinart partied too much. That's hardly the work ethic that makes a good college football player into a viable NFL starting QB. Also, I never saw why Gabbert was so highly touted as a prospect. He never did anything spectacular in college. I blame Rex Ryan for not developing Sanchez and I think it's too early to grade Tannehill right now. I say wait and see how Tannehill develops.

Pat White is a decent QB, but his chances don't seem that great behind RG III and Kirk Cousins.

I'm pretty sure Young wasn't a party guy. The big thing was he tried to commit suicide after his sophomore slump/first game of his third season where he throw two picks, went out of the game and then was forced back on the field by Fisher and got hurt 4 plays later. His confidence was shattered and never really came back, and Fisher and Young never were on the same page again.

I agree on Gabbert. He was a checkdown machine in college( AY/A of 6.5) and was much worse then his Missouri Tiger predecessor, The third person speaking Chase Daniel, whom didn't pan out in the NFL(and went undrafted), so I'm not exactly sure why he was drafted so high either. Especially in a draft with Kaepernick and Dalton in it.

Speaking of the 2011 draft, Ponder is also terrible and it is crazy that he got drafted as high as he did. Add him to the list of terrible starting QBs

Mark Sanchez is a bonafide scrub. Rex isn't the reason. Work ethic isn't the reason. He's just bad. The team he was successful in the NFL ispretty much was the same as the one he did well on in college. It had a dominant running game, tall wideouts, a good tight end, and an amazing defense. The main reason he was drafted so highly is the pool was shallow and he had a really good bowl game against an overrated Penn state defense. He also is tall and played in a pro style offense.

I absolutely hate Ryan Tannehill. He's the embodiment of white(qb) priveledge. As a wideout turned quarterback in college in a very basic spread offense. He was a checkdown monster with bad mechanics, average accuracy, poor pocket prescence, completely devoid of a deep ball even though he was rumoured to have good arm strength. In the pros, he has striaghtened out his mechanics which improved his accuracy but he still isn't being asked to make complex reads, his decision making is still poor, as his pocket prescence(16 sacks on a guy who was a wide out). Although he has made strides, I don't think he would of ever been given the privilege to do so if he were black.

Tim tebow is not a good guy.

He kinda is, He easily makes the top 20 or so percent or NFL Good Guys.

[Thestatusquo]

He supports evangelical organizations that are among the most homophobic and awful in the entire world, even going so far as to offer to speak at their churches. He's a homophobic jackass.

[Brian Skies]

I agree that Young is the best of that bunch, but he and Leinart partied too much. That's hardly the work ethic that makes a good college football player into a viable NFL starting QB. Also, I never saw why Gabbert was so highly touted as a prospect. He never did anything spectacular in college. I blame Rex Ryan for not developing Sanchez and I think it's too early to grade Tannehill right now. I say wait and see how Tannehill develops.

Pat White is a decent QB, but his chances don't seem that great behind RG III and Kirk Cousins.

I'm pretty sure Young wasn't a party guy. The big thing was he tried to commit suicide after his sophomore slump/first game of his third season where he throw two picks, went out of the game and then was forced back on the field by Fisher and got hurt 4 plays later. His confidence was shattered and never really came back, and Fisher and Young never were on the same page again.

I agree on Gabbert. He was a checkdown machine in college( AY/A of 6.5) and was much worse then his Missouri Tiger predecessor, The third person speaking Chase Daniel, whom didn't pan out in the NFL(and went undrafted), so I'm not exactly sure why he was drafted so high either. Especially in a draft with Kaepernick and Dalton in it.

Speaking of the 2011 draft, Ponder is also terrible and it is crazy that he got drafted as high as he did. Add him to the list of terrible starting QBs

Mark Sanchez is a bonafide scrub. Rex isn't the reason. Work ethic isn't the reason. He's just bad. The team he was successful in the NFL ispretty much was the same as the one he did well on in college. It had a dominant running game, tall wideouts, a good tight end, and an amazing defense. The main reason he was drafted so highly is the pool was shallow and he had a really good bowl game against an overrated Penn state defense. He also is tall and played in a pro style offense.

I absolutely hate Ryan Tannehill. He's the embodiment of white(qb) priveledge. As a wideout turned quarterback in college in a very basic spread offense. He was a checkdown monster with bad mechanics, average accuracy, poor pocket prescence, completely devoid of a deep ball even though he was rumoured to have good arm strength. In the pros, he has striaghtened out his mechanics which improved his accuracy but he still isn't being asked to make complex reads, his decision making is still poor, as his pocket prescence(16 sacks on a guy who was a wide out). Although he has made strides, I don't think he would of ever been given the privilege to do so if he were black.

Tim tebow is not a good guy.

He kinda is, He easily makes the top 20 or so percent or NFL Good Guys.

Young is a party guy. And he mismanages his money for it.

And I agree that Ponder is terrible and should never have been drafted in the first two rounds. Sure it was a shallow draft and many teams needed QB's, but there were much better options.

Locker disappoints me at times. As a Washington Huskies fan, I had this small waning hope that he'd be successful. His biggest knock in college was his accuracy. But if you watched his games, you could see the apparent lack of talent surrounding him and his WR's dropped A LOT of good passes. But in the NFL, he shows flashes of being a lesser Brett Favre, then disappears into mediocrity. I don't know if it's the lack of production around him (Chris Johnson, offensive line, WR's not named Britt), or if he's just not cut out for it. His preseason wasn't too bad, so I hope this is a sign of better things to come.

He supports evangelical organizations that are among the most homophobic and awful in the entire world, even going so far as to offer to speak at their churches. He's a homophobic jackass.

Being extremely religious doesn't make you a bad person. He spends almost all of his free time helping the community because that's what he likes to do. And the only reason why we know about it is because people like to share his endeavors (he himself doesn't share anything). Sure he's a bad football player, but he's definitely not a bad person.

[Nero Cain]

Does Tebow go to Jacksonville now?

[Nero Cain]

Does Tebow go to Jacksonville now?

[Brian Skies]

Pretty sure Jacksonville already has enough shitty QB's on their roster.

[pickemgenius]

wouldnt matter ticket sales.

[Jake from State Farm]

Best QB in the league is still Eli Manning. obvobvobv.

[Jake from State Farm]

wouldnt matter ticket sales.

This. Jacksonville needs a boost somehow.

I like the skins keeping white, they need to get rid of grossman.

If RG stays healthy I say we win the division yet again and if the entire team is healthy, I'd say NFC championship game is a lock

[Benmage]

I'm a Jet fan...
fml

[Brian Skies]

If RG stays healthy I say we win the division yet again and if the entire team is healthy, I'd say NFC championship game is a lock

Even though San Fran and Seattle have more talent? Redskins are good enough to make it there, but there are better teams in the NFC.

[Rob14]

If he were innocent he wouldn't have settled. End of story.

Very, very not true. Often, settling is just more convenient and better in the long-term financially and PR-wise. If you're innocent and want to go to trial, you have to pay a team of lawyers. That shit isn't cheap. It also involves a long media spectacle that would likely destroy one's career.

[Jake from State Farm]

takes more than talent to win a SB.

[Rob14]

And the great thing about the U.S. is that if you are rich and/or white enough you can't be proven guilty

FTFY

Don't be pretentious, please.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm a Jet fan...
fml

well look on the bright side, you can only go up hill from here

[Brian Skies]

takes more than talent to win a SB.

Also pretty hard to win without it. I'm not saying the Redskins can't make it there. But they're in a conference with the likes of San Fran, Seattle, Chicago, Green Bay, and Atlanta. Not to mention the possibility of Minnesota (unlikely with Ponder at QB) and Detroit breaking out this year. Sure the Redskins are good, but it's an uphill battle for them, even if they remain healthy.

As for their division, I think they should win that easily.

[Brian Skies]

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge RG III fan and would love to see them make it there. I just don't see it as being a lock.

[Jake from State Farm]

No it's not a lock.