Lord of The Rings Mafia - Game End

[zMuffinMan]

i was told i lost the ring when day started and i'm no longer in possession of it. i assumed it had something to do with me using it. i am not aware of the reason why i lost it, but my theory is that goodmorning has some sort of role modifier that allows him to reclaim the ring after it's used. if he happens to flip like "ring-attracting" or something like that, then this game gets a whole lot easier because what i'm saying is at least somewhat verifiable then.

gm is dying today. we're just discussing things that relate to the following day (assuming gm stays dead this time)

[goodmorning]

His lie of destroying the ring just incriminates him as being a ring scum who tried a clever gambit.

Uh... no. It means I wanted to keep investigating but not die. So yeah.

[DeathNote]

His lie of destroying the ring just incriminates him as being a ring scum who tried a clever gambit.

Uh... no. It means I wanted to keep investigating but not die. So yeah.

If you say so

[Empking]

Vote Count Sixty Nine

goodmorning (2) - TwinFlames, DeathNote
TwinFlames (1) - goodmorning

Not Voting: NSin, zMuffinMan, alienBRO

Four to lynch
(expired on 2013-09-16 12:07:12)

It also gives you the power to gift it during the day and to destroy it.

[zMuffinMan]

so yeah. ^ was in my response to whether the ring has powers outside of investigation.

@alienbro,

tell me what you think of #2471. i can't really think of a better alternative, given any other plan will just result in twin flames killing the hammerer.

[Twin Flames]

Muffin are you aware that we can not hammer when we are already voting?

Seriously dude you are not making sense.

[Twin Flames]

^Rach

[alienBRO]

actually.

@alienbro,

there is one scenario that could possibly solve this. let me hammer goodmorning today. if he is ring scum and i get the ring after his lynch, there are two scenarios here:

(1) twin flames kills me, he's confirmed scum, you lynch him tomorrow, gg town win

(2) i get the ring after goodmorning lynch. twin flames kills someone that isn't me. i then pass the ring to one of the two players that isn't twin flames still alive tomorrow. they can pass the ring amongst themselves as much as they want so that neither i nor twin flames would reasonably know who has the ring. after this, we no lynch, and there's a 50% chance of confirming i'm not lying

this works if i'm right in my suspicion that goodmorning is currently in possession of the ring

thoughts?

This seems decent. Will consult with PA about it. We're hashing a few other things out right now.

-Bro

[DeathNote]

unvote

I would prefer the hammer please.

[zMuffinMan]

Muffin are you aware that we can not hammer when we are already voting?

Seriously dude you are not making sense.

I would prefer the hammer please.

in light of the fact that anyone but me hammering is almost certainly dead tonight, what do you think of the plan i proposed in #2471 as an alternative to (possibly) confirming i'm town?

if you believe i'm town, or at least believe that it's likely i'm town, this is the best option i can think of to possibly prove what i'm saying is true.

if you have another idea to confirm what i'm saying, i'm welcome to suggestions.

[DeathNote]

I want the hammer because at this point in the game, I am the only one I trust to do what is needed to be done.

If GM has the ring again for whatever reason, then I want it and I

will

destroy it tonight. So even if I die, I know that the ring is no longer a threat and that town is one step closer to winning. I don't want the ring in play anymore.

If you are town Muffin, then just push on who you know is scum. I trust that you can manage that.

[zMuffinMan]

Yeah, but destroying the ring does nothing for town if GM is ring-scum.

The problem is verifying that I am indeed town and telling the truth about Twin Flames being the last wraith-scum.

[DeathNote]

You should read your win condition again.

Plus, destroying the ring prevents any more shenanigans with scum.

[DeathNote]

No offense Muffin.... I like you and all, I just don't completely trust you.

[zMuffinMan]

You should read your win condition again.

If GM's ring scum, then lynching him means the third parties are no longer a factor in this game (meaning the ring still being in play can only benefit town).

I am aware that the ring needs to be destroyed for us to win, but that could theoretically be done after all the scum is dead.

After GM is dead, the issue is figuring out who the wraith-scum is between me and Twin Flames. The solution I proposed seems to be the best approach to confirming me if anyone is still paranoid about me being town.

Plus, destroying the ring prevents any more shenanigans with scum.

The mod just publicly confirmed all the powers the ring grants the bearer.

[DeathNote]

Yet GM survived his lynch and supposedly has the ring again. Point being, the ring either has special effects with non-town members or you were lying about not having the ring today.

How could we destroy the ring after scum is dead? Would the game continue on after all scum have died?

[zMuffinMan]

Point being, the ring either has special effects with non-town members or you were lying about not having the ring today.

... if you believe i'm lying, then who hammers gm is a moot point (especially since anyone who isn't me hammering is dead tonight). and if you believe i'm telling the truth, then me hammering gm is the best option unless you have a better alternative.

How could we destroy the ring after scum is dead? Would the game continue on after all scum have died?

theoretically, why not?

may as well ask.

@Mod, if all the scum are dead and the ring is still in play, what happens?

[Empking]

As long as a team can win the game will continue till a team can win. The game will not necessarily end when all scum are dead.

[zMuffinMan]

ok. so in light of this being confirmed, do you agree or disagree that the plan i put forth is the most reasonable?

[DeathNote]

I do have problems with your plan but I would prefer for Bro to come and give input before I express them. I would like Nsin to be here too but I doubt that anything constructive will come from that.

[zMuffinMan]

ok. there are obviously issues with any course of action today. i'm asking if you think my proposal is the most reasonable, not whether it is flawed. if you have a better alternative, i'm open to suggestions.

also it should be rather obvious that if i actually were scum, i wouldn't even care who hammers. the only reason i care is because i want to possibly confirm what i'm saying is true and get rid of any paranoia.

[alienBRO]

actually.

@alienbro,

there is one scenario that could possibly solve this. let me hammer goodmorning today. if he is ring scum and i get the ring after his lynch, there are two scenarios here:

(1) twin flames kills me, he's confirmed scum, you lynch him tomorrow, gg town win

(2) i get the ring after goodmorning lynch. twin flames kills someone that isn't me. i then pass the ring to one of the two players that isn't twin flames still alive tomorrow. they can pass the ring amongst themselves as much as they want so that neither i nor twin flames would reasonably know who has the ring. after this, we no lynch, and there's a 50% chance of confirming i'm not lying

this works if i'm right in my suspicion that goodmorning is currently in possession of the ring

thoughts?

(1) That's true. If you flip town, we know Twin Flames is scum.

(2) We're left with {Twin Flames, zMuffinMan, alienBRO, DeathNote, NSin} minus whomever scum-TF doesn't kill from your POV. We no-lynch in the hopes that whichever of {alienBRO, DeathNote, NSin} you passed the ring to during the day survives the night to investigate. It's a 50% chance we go into the next day with the non-ring-holding survivor having to choose between you and Twin Flames with no further information.

Versus someone else hammering, that person is the NK and the ring goes away anyways. And the survivors still have to pick between zMuffinMan and TF.

I'm kicking around whether a massclaim is a good idea. I end up thinking not, but I do think Twin Flames and zMuffinMan should claim. It's been set up to be 1v1 there, except town has to decide tomorrow who's right. I'd rather not have a surprise role claim thrown in the mix at the end.

BRO, DeathNote, NSin, what's your take on having TF and zMuffinMan role claim?

BRO said he wanted DN to hammer, but I'm leaning toward following zMuffinMan's plan. DN, I get being paranoid and only trusting yourself at this point, but I think it's pretty clearly either zMuffinMan or TF who's wraith-scum. Do you disagree that GM is likely ring-scum? If you're on board there, can you agree that it's unlikely we had 6/15 anti-town parties?

Even if zMuffinMan is somehow a ring-scum (making this a 40% scum game) we just refuse to lynch until he hands off the ring to a townie who can destroy it.

--PA

[DeathNote]

@Mod: Is it possible that there is an element of randomness to the ring passing?

Yes.

This has bothered me ever since I saw it which is why I am nervous about passing the ring around to other town members so that they can confirm themselves.

I also realized I misread how the ring can be destroyed. Apparently, it can only be destroyed during the day meaning me hammering is pointless.

At this point, I didn't want to preform the same actions today as we did yesterday. GM was hammered by Muffin who used the ring and then apparently lost it. Luckily his guilty means that we now have confirmed scum between twin and muffin but due to the possibility of that being the last scum, we can end the game yet.

Everyone is on the same page that GM needs to be lynched so lets just do that... I am trying to weigh out the pros and cons of who should hammer.


BAHHH Can't think straight about this and it all stims from the fact that the ring is not in Muffin's control right now. That really pisses me off!!!

[DeathNote]

Vote: GM

I feel that twin is last scum. If the lynch doesn't go through again because of Muffin or bad mechanics... then oh well.

[DeathNote]

Bro- You see my problem right? The only answer I can see to last night is that Muffin is flat out lying to us and that bothers me. Like... I honestly believe he is town so I can't imagine why he would lie but I see no other possible reason.