Open 528: The Room of DOOM! GAME OVER

[Brian Skies]

*Prod dodge

Will post more tomorrow

[Dessew]

Tbh, I don't understand the people who refuse to RVS, but his vote&unvote made even less sense.

You don't even think it could've made a little bit of a joke from previous experiences?

I got that it was a joke. I just don't get why that vote couldn't stay.

This was the post was referring to.

How is that grasping at straws? Yami admitted that he was over-reacting to one post before you posted that.

I know, but I was bringing it up again because Dessew seemed to counter over-react. Plus, as far as I'm concerned, it is scum-motivated to ignore discussion. That is why I was so suspicious of JKLM.

Counter-overreact? And it was page 1, as it was said earlier. (Or your post was at page 3, whatever.) Now you shoud complain about inactivity, but then it was stupid.

I forgot to post about Masons:
If masons and scum are all breadcrumbing, then such a breadcrumb doesn't really mean anything. But it can be picked up, that's why I think mason shouldn't breadcrumb. I haven't metaed you, Hiraki, have you played this setup frequently?

[YamiNoKira]

Looking busy is something that scum like to do. To confirm that he's looking busy and not just actually trying something neato, there'd have to be a reason for the RQS (never given) and he would need to answer his own question.

P.S. The RQS had nothing going for it. It's almost always a scum tactic.

Alright. There's not much point in continuing this argument; I see your point but I disagree with you.

Because you easily tell if someone is lying about liking a pet.

That's the first thought I had when reading that post...

[Skelda]

Tbh, I don't understand the people who refuse to RVS, but his vote&unvote made even less sense.

You don't even think it could've made a little bit of a joke from previous experiences?

I got that it was a joke. I just don't get why that vote couldn't stay.

This was the post was referring to.

How is that grasping at straws? Yami admitted that he was over-reacting to one post before you posted that.

I know, but I was bringing it up again because Dessew seemed to counter over-react. Plus, as far as I'm concerned, it is scum-motivated to ignore discussion. That is why I was so suspicious of JKLM.

Counter-overreact? And it was page 1, as it was said earlier. (Or your post was at page 3, whatever.) Now you shoud complain about inactivity, but then it was stupid.

I forgot to post about Masons:
If masons and scum are all breadcrumbing, then such a breadcrumb doesn't really mean anything. But it can be picked up, that's why I think mason shouldn't breadcrumb. I haven't metaed you, Hiraki, have you played this setup frequently?

Let's put it this way: Masons should breadcrumb only if they are able to do it and tell their crumbs to their partners. I see no harm in breadcrumbing if they can do so subtly.

[Hiraki]

I am very concerned with the state of activity in this game (not from us but from everyone else)

[Skelda]

I am very concerned with the state of activity in this game (not from us but from everyone else)

Yes, very much so. This last of reads and content isn't helping us find the scum.

[DoctorPepper]

Vote Count:

Skelda(4)

- Dessew, phokdapolees, -Kubbs-, Hiraki

Dessew(3)

- JKLM, Brian Skies, Skelda

Mutleyddmc(1)

- YamiNoKira

YamiNoKira(1)

- Mutleyddmc

Not Voting(3)

- Blue Bonnet, Saki, Metal Sonic

Vote History:

Dessew

- Skelda

JKLM

- Muttley, unvote, Dessew

phokdapolee

s - skelda

YamiNoKira

- Skelda, Dessew, Mutleyddmc

Brian Skies

- Dessew

-Kubbs-

- Saki, Skelda

Skelda

- Dessew, JKLM, Dessew

Mutleyddmc

- JKLM, YamiNoKira

Hiraki

- Skelda

With 12 ALIVE, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline hits on Sunday, September 22, 9:26 PM ((expired on 2013-09-22 21:26:00) remaining)

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Mod Notes:

Searching for a replacement for

JKLM

[YamiNoKira]

My vote on Mutley is obviously not very useful. I'm half-tempted to just hammer Skelda for D2 reactions, but I'm not that stupid. I'm not entirely sure what to do with it, though. No active player (Skelda/Dessew/Brian Skies (kinda)) is particularly scummy, and votes on inactive players aren't very useful. Meh. I feel like pushing for a lynch since nothing's going on, but we have 9 days and lynching early is generally not seen as pro-town.

Hikari, how confident are you in a Skelda lynch?

[Hiraki]

At the moment, pretty well.

[Blue Bonnet]

VOTE: Hiraki

[DoctorPepper]

V/LA til Sunday

[Viera Assassin]

V/LA til Sunday

Quick! Throw a party!

[YamiNoKira]

VOTE: Viera Assassin

[-Kubbs-]

I didn't want a bunch of people jumping on him too fast. That makes me uncomfortable.

Why? Putting other people other pressure makes you uncomfortable? How does that make sense to you?

That isn't fair. Those were taken out of context. In the second I was trying to explain the first's admittedly poor wording after you all attacked me because of it. I've given my explanation for this many times and I'm getting tired of repeating myself.

Your explanation just doesn't make sense. That's why you're getting pushed on it. The fact that you fail to give a reasonable explanation makes me feel good about my vote.

I know it takes away from the pacing to ask a question but, what are the major benefits of being a hydra, as well as downsides? I just want Roget an understanding.

It's always nice to compare reads with someone you know for sure has the same alignment. You also get to see someone elses reasoning in the game and learn from it.
The downside is you may end up having different reads and that is never good.

HUGE POST

I gotta say I skipped a big part of your post. A lot of it seemed like it didn't really matter.
Do you always post like this? Or just on your catchup?

Also saki why did you decide to 'replace' out

Why do you ask this when he is already replaced?


I've been very busy this week and will continue to be busy in the upcoming weeks. I'll try and keep up but my post will likely not be very frequent.
Hopefully quality of the content will make up for the quantity.

[-Kubbs-]

that was Stubbs...

[Dessew]

VOTE: Hiraki

Care to explain?

V/LA til Sunday

Quick! Throw a party!

You did actually post, so I guess we can't complain, can we? Well, I do.

Yes, breadcrumbing can't harm if it's done subtly enough, but that's really hard to do, I guess.

[Skelda]

I didn't want a bunch of people jumping on him too fast. That makes me uncomfortable.

Why? Putting other people other pressure makes you uncomfortable? How does that make sense to you?

Maybe it is irrational and that quicklynches rarely happen in practice, but I always feel a little wary about them when people start talking about wagons.

That isn't fair. Those were taken out of context. In the second I was trying to explain the first's admittedly poor wording after you all attacked me because of it. I've given my explanation for this many times and I'm getting tired of repeating myself.

Your explanation just doesn't make sense. That's why you're getting pushed on it. The fact that you fail to give a reasonable explanation makes me feel good about my vote.

What about it doesn't make sense?

[Skelda]

VOTE: Hiraki

Care to explain?

V/LA til Sunday

Quick! Throw a party!

You did actually post, so I guess we can't complain, can we? Well, I do.

Yes, breadcrumbing can't harm if it's done subtly enough, but that's really hard to do, I guess.

If you the Masons won't be capable of it, here's an idea: everyone could breadcrumb, with the Masons telling each other their breadcrumbs. Would that work?

[Dessew]

VOTE: Hiraki

Care to explain?

V/LA til Sunday

Quick! Throw a party!

You did actually post, so I guess we can't complain, can we? Well, I do.

Yes, breadcrumbing can't harm if it's done subtly enough, but that's really hard to do, I guess.

If you the Masons won't be capable of it, here's an idea: everyone could breadcrumb, with the Masons telling each other their breadcrumbs. Would that work?

It's absurd, but it could work. We can only lose a little possibility to find minor scumtells at the end of the game (normally only mason and scum would breadcrumb), but we can save our masons (put them in smaller danger), and they can prove their innocence. That's cool. I iso'd you, you weren't that scummy, my vote stayed on you after #140 only because I couldn't find a better place for it, but now since you came up with an idea that is probably actually helpful for town, it doesn't make any sense to keep ot there whatsoever.

UNVOTE: Skelda
VOTE: Viera

Hi Kubbs!

[DoctorPepper]

"JKLM hid behind his room, promising never to come out. He grew tired. So unfortunately, the trap door opened. Shame. Oh well, enjoy your new spot. Hope you know what you've gotten into"

Redelphic replaces JKLM effective immediately
Metal Sonic and phokdapolees have been prodded

[Brian Skies]

Saki's door opens, he too fell down the trap door. For some unknown reason, just as he fell, another person pops up.

Again? Im running out of people here. Weaklings. Well, not to worry, for when Saki left, a mysterious person arrived at the exact same time. Everyone, meet Vierra"

Vierra Assassin replaces Saki, effective immediately

For the sake of flavor, I'm just going to pretend this actually happened.

Also saki why did you decide to 'replace' out

If rumors hold true, he didn't.

that is just the way mutley usually plays from my limited experience with him.

-Karnage-

An RVS vote and an OMGUS. Why are you still condoning this behavior when Saki is in the game.

My vote on Mutley is obviously not very useful. I'm half-tempted to just hammer Skelda for D2 reactions, but I'm not that stupid. I'm not entirely sure what to do with it, though. No active player (Skelda/Dessew/Brian Skies (kinda)) is particularly scummy, and votes on inactive players aren't very useful. Meh. I feel like pushing for a lynch since nothing's going on, but we have 9 days and lynching early is generally not seen as pro-town.

Hikari, how confident are you in a Skelda lynch?

You need seven votes to hammer.

And voting inactive players can be useful if you provide enough pressure to force them to produce content (i.e. multiple votes).

If you think Skelda is scum, who is her partner? Who isn't her partner? What happens if Skelda flips town? What if she flips scum? I personally can't answer any of these questions, so no, I'm not currently confident in a Skelda lynch.

Also, some of Skelda's posts seem forced from having to explain and re-explain herself. Her posts seem pretty consistent and if she is town, I'm not magically going to expect different answers just because you guys continue to ask the same questions.

VOTE: Hiraki

Explain. I know notscience is in there. Make your hydra useful or I'm voting you.

I've been very busy this week and will continue to be busy in the upcoming weeks. I'll try and keep up but my post will likely not be very frequent.
Hopefully quality of the content will make up for the quantity.

As long as your partner makes up for it (and I really do like quality), then this won't become a problem.

Maybe it is irrational and that quicklynches rarely happen in practice, but I always feel a little wary about them when people start talking about wagons.

There are four mafia in this game and they are on separate teams. In my opinion, this makes larger bandwagons more dangerous. So I agree with Skelda about the wariness.

Plus Saki. Don't ever let Saki have the hammer.

If you the Masons won't be capable of it, here's an idea: everyone could breadcrumb, with the Masons telling each other their breadcrumbs. Would that work?

Bread-crumbing for the sake of protecting the masons won't work unless everyone is extremely competent. You are talking about two teams of two mafia and a team of three masons. The difference in numbers will just make it easier to sniff out the masons.

@Kubbs: Where is your hydra leaning in terms of reads right now?

[Brian Skies]

Also, I forgot to move my vote.

VOTE: Mutley

[Redelphic]

Finished reading the thread. I need to read some things over as they were a bit confusing. Sorry for the lack of an avatar, Maestro hacked my computer and now I can't upload one~

[Skelda]

Also, I forgot to move my vote.

VOTE: Mutley

What exactly has Mutley done? I don't find him particularly scummy, he hasn't been on my radar much at least.

[Brian Skies]

Also, I forgot to move my vote.

VOTE: Mutley

What exactly has Mutley done? I don't find him particularly scummy, he hasn't been on my radar much at least.

Do you think he's scum? Do you think he's town? If you can't answer yes to either question with confidence, then there is something wrong. And this is why I'm voting him. Just because Kubbs wants to condone his actions up to this point based on meta doesn't mean I have.