Mini 1484 - Pick Your Partners (Game Over)

[Voidedmafia]

and mainly that I think it's super unlikely neither you nor hc are mafia so I would understand if you see him as mafia.

hm?

Also, I actually meant I didn't see how it's gonna give something fruitful.

Ah, understood.

I would still like it if TSO explained exactly what he wished to accomplish with that post and why he thought it would get those results. Just because you're conftown doesn't absolve you of explaining your actions.

HC, how does this quote points at titus being ww? It feels like you are being deliberately cryptic.

I do agree with this. HC, what in that post of Titus's makes you think he's WW?

[T S O]

Actually, it does, and I can still gain use from the test.

Goddamn there are so many people fucking undermining me here.

If Town is lynched today I'd argue WW should go for Mafia. That's me being honest, WW.

[T S O]

Anyway, I want Bartlet's slot lynched.

[Titus]

TSO, try again on the case for Bartlet. I'm not seeing it but you were confident and I was wrong on mutley.

[T S O]

fuck Garantula's 121-131 or so made me think he was WW with Pjovek

but Pjovek misspelled his name and I can't see him being good enough to pull that w/ his partner

[Voidedmafia]

Actually, it does

No, it doesn't. You're still a player in this game, your actions still impact how the game plays out. By denying that you don't have to explain anything because "I'm conftown," you attempt to remove yourself from the game in some form and thus attempt to absolve yourself of anything that happens. No player can or should be allowed to do that, and no CONFIRMED TOWNIE should be allowed to do this. While your opinion is the only opinion we can trust to come from a town mindset, that does not mean we have to believe that your way is the way, or that we should only look skin deep at your actions or what you do. I refuse to allow you to claim "I'm conftown" as an excuse to not explain things or expound on thoughts that you have shared, and thus demand that you explain what your point in that post and question posed to me was, if not now then before the lynch/deadline (whichever comes first).

Goddamn there are so many people fucking undermining me here.

How am I undermining you? You've done something that even from a conftown is suspect in regards to how it will advance your reads or discern who might be the last WW/2nd mafia. I believe I've rightfully called you out on it's effectiveness, and there are others who agree. You are still accountable for your actions, and I expect to see that you have properly explained your "test" before the day is over.


Also, why do you want Gar/Bartlet lynched? At the very least we need to hear him out and let him try to produce at least one post of meaningful content.

P-EDIT: I've misspelled town and partner names as scum before. I don't see how that translates to Gar being WW with pjovek?

[T S O]

Voided, I have neither the time nor the inclination to do that. If you want, you can vote me.

[Voidedmafia]

Voided, I have neither the time nor the inclination to do that. If you want, you can vote me.

Nah, its just the inclination that's the problem. Conftown can simply be ignored, yknow, if they aren't helping or showing a genuine interest in aiding the town wincon, and I know how hard it can be to stay in the game as a conftown player. You most certainly have at least half an hour to prepare your reasons for why you did what you did at some point, no? So there's no reason for you to deny us the chance to see just what you were thinking.

And now you're asking me to vote you? Are you trying to bait me into slipping or something?

[Mrbartlet]

TSO stop being a self righteous prick. Being conf town doesn't mean everyone should listen to you. Not does it mean you are right. What it means is that we won't be lynching you. I appreciate you want to win and stuff but you haven't been right once here and your play has been bad. Let some good scum hunters work and follow our lead.

I know it is hard being in a game for so long to get blinded by thoughts and be blurred. However as a replacement, this game from the outside is pretty fucking easy. To get the mafia anyway. Natirasha and Haschel are so blindingly the mafia just from that one post. However ill try make some bigger case for you guys at some point.

What do you guys think of tochicas defence of Muttley? Since he flipped town and it did seem he was quite scummy. His white knighting of him is very suspicious. Especially as he seemed to defend the points about him not killing DBK. Probably because he knew Muttley was telling the truth?

[Natirasha]

Natirasha and Haschel are so blindingly the mafia just from that one post.

Which post? And you're suggesting I've been bussing him since before day 2 ended? Fair enough. Who do you think is the wolf, then?

[Mrbartlet]

Ahh you are going to not read I see.

Post 830 my friend. Calling your buddy useless and going overboard it is literally a thought out post on how to bus and distance as much as possible as he looks like the lynch.

Wolf as you can read I think is between tochica and Titus. I much prefer tochica due to his white knighting

[Voidedmafia]

Natirasha and Haschel are so blindingly the mafia just from that one post

One-post declarations of scumminess that aren't clear-cut scumslips/scumclaims don't really count as cases. Quotes or it ain't true.

Post 830 my friend. Calling your buddy useless and going overboard it is literally a thought out post on how to bus and distance as much as possible as he looks like the lynch.

Apt observations on the uselessness of a player do not a bus post make.

What makes Nat's annoyance scum annoyed with his partner? Especially since HC should know that he's still got time to turn minds away.

[Mrbartlet]

Just from post 830 it's ridicolous. He starts off saying there's three scum undermining us. He's trying to get into our minds that scum isn't him and he's referring to three others. Buddying up to the conf town cos his opinion is the one he trusts most. Yeah right TSO hasn't done great for it to be amazingly trust worthy.

Then you get the next line where his hard bussing is about to start to get as much distance for tomorrow if Haschel is lynched. Then there's his 845 calling Haschel a gimme. Yet before post 830 on this day he hasn't really mentioned this before. He has mentioned Haschel as mafia a few times but never really pushed through and only when needed. Ill quote it up a bit later

[Natirasha]

Ahh you are going to not read I see.

Post 830 my friend. Calling your buddy useless and going overboard it is literally a thought out post on how to bus and distance as much as possible as he looks like the lynch.

Wolf as you can read I think is between tochica and Titus. I much prefer tochica due to his white knighting

? You never mentioned what post made it 'blindingly obvious', and I wanted to make sure we were on the same page in saying that you think Tochika is the wolf. Do you want to lynch wolf or mafia today? Do you think it matters?

EBWOP: I've been calling Haschel mafia since at the very latest, DrDolittle's flip. Day three we were more focused on killing wolves, I would have gladly focused on Haschel if I thought he was a wolf.

[Mrbartlet]

Personally I think wolf is best to hit. As it means tomorrow we have out conf town alive.

[Titus]

We should just focus on scum. I'd rather take out the nearly certain scum player and have a chance that the ww shoots a mafia or tries to rather than risk mislynching. There's always a chance the wolf thinks TSO has the game wrong and keeps him alive (or wants to give that appearance and keeps him alive).

[Tochica]

Mrb, I obviously disagree with you mutley did not seem quite scummy at all. He seemed like someone who accepted he was getting lynched yet he kept on giving his thoughts so they can be used after he dies. He also didn't respond to bullying. Also, the case on him was highly one dimensional and only relying on nks, which only made sense from wiofm perspective.

Do you suspect Nat and HC independently or really it's solely this one post?

Nat, it seems you've missed Mrb's first post it's on the previous page.

Also, does the forum skin/appearance looks weird to you all?

[Tochica]

Nvm, it seems to have fixed itself on refresh.

[Natirasha]

I did miss that post.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Haschel Cedricson (2): Titus, Tochica
Mrbartlet (2): Natirasha, T S O

Titus (1): Haschel Cedricson
Natirasha (1): Voidedmafia

Not voting (1): Mrbartlet

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Deadline is October 4th/October 5th, midnight CEST.

[T S O]

Just from post 830 it's ridicolous. He starts off saying there's three scum undermining us. He's trying to get into our minds that scum isn't him and he's referring to three others. Buddying up to the conf town cos his opinion is the one he trusts most. Yeah right TSO hasn't done great for it to be amazingly trust worthy.

Then you get the next line where his hard bussing is about to start to get as much distance for tomorrow if Haschel is lynched. Then there's his 845 calling Haschel a gimme. Yet before post 830 on this day he hasn't really mentioned this before. He has mentioned Haschel as mafia a few times but never really pushed through and only when needed. Ill quote it up a bit later

2/3 isn't a bad ratio. I'll admit the Mutley kill rocked my world but it's been hard when strong Town players who I thought was Town persistently die. My play hasn't been that bad. On that note, I looked at your Nati-HC case and I wasn't convinced at all.

[Voidedmafia]

He starts off saying there's three scum undermining us

Which is true.

He's trying to get into our minds that scum isn't him and he's referring to three others.

I fail to see this in that particular sentence. Looks more like you're reading too much into it.

Buddying up to the conf town cos his opinion is the one he trusts most. Yeah right TSO hasn't done great for it to be amazingly trust worthy.

How is any different from when I've said that TSO's opinion is the one I would trust the most?

Then there's his 845 calling Haschel a gimme.

Do you believe HC is not a gimme kill tomorrow if we lynch WW today? And again, what makes Nat saying this any different from the rest of us who have already agreed that HC dies tomorrow?

There's always a chance the wolf thinks TSO has the game wrong and keeps him alive (or wants to give that appearance and keeps him alive).

I would think that the better play would be to get rid of someone who town absolutely won't lynch than bank on TSO being wrong. TSO's being kinda stupid right now, but he's not a VI. Unless the WW is someone who is ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE that he/she's not under TSO's radar and won't be for the next 1-2 days, I'm nearly 100% positive TSO's gonna be the kill.

[T S O]

WW killing me makes no sense if Town is lynched today. WW should only theoretically kill me if Mafia are lynched. Let me see.

[T S O]

Town lynch and me dead makes it 2-2-1 to Town. In that case a WW lynch is an insta-lose for Town. WW killing Mafia makes it 3-1-1 which is better odds for them.

Yeah, that's right. If WW gets outta here with a Town lynch and they hit Mafia they're essentially home.

[T S O]

WW MUST DIE.