In post 120, smargaret wrote: In post 33, HönigBear wrote:It disturbs me that you would make a serious vote that early on in the game let alone in the RVS
, particulalry while not explaining why a vote that leaves a player on L-5 is scummy and then have to explain your actions so thoroughly.
Also I don't like your vote on JKLM.
Mnemonic answer mah question plzzzzz.
1)
I see the bolded as wanting to stay in RVS. What is wrong with serious votes early?
2) Honig, you're going to fos (or whatever) someone you see as null?
And you don't see the scumminess in this post:
In post 56, HönigBear wrote:I don't know the statistics on flips on people who choose to play like dicks like Peace here but regardless I'd like to go for the slightly more subtler scummy players and mozamis is currently leading in that category IMO.
Still if peace is the consensus lynch of the day I have no problem hammering him/voting him if other wagons clearly won't work and if he continues to play like posts 51 and 52.
Skelda out of interest, did that argument work when you were scum i.e. was it effective? Also what breed of goat is that?
3a) I mean, there is a point to lynching VIs/trolls/lurkers/people who aren't actually going to play the game on day 1, but the whole I'll vote him but not really thing - 3b) take a stance, call him out on not actually playing - 3c) the wording here just screams scum at me, especially considering how early it is on day 1 (and nothing in that post suggests that you're looking ahead to the end of the day). You don't know what is going to come up during the course of the day, so given how remarkably little information there is, it just seems like any plans are going to have to change, so why make them now instead of seeing what happens?
4)Really, though, Honig, you're awfully upset about one person in a 13 player game finding two early posts scummy - why are you so defensive, so concerned about my suspicion of you? I want out of RVS early, so I poke at people - and you just completely melted down, which is really interesting considering how little pressure you were under, and that in and of itself is scummier than anything else that I voted you for.
I pointed out BA's fluffposting because I saw it, and I wanted other people to be aware of it. What's wrong with that?
These posts:
In post 59, mnemonicdevice wrote:Nice. So 3 votes on me for no reason. and 4 votes on peacebringer. Also because of his playstyle.
I also like how Skelda just randomly jumps on the peacebringer wagon. RVS much?
are problematic. Note that, for the first one, mnemonic's vote was still on project matt - which he essentially admitted was a RVS vote - yet he's expressing suspicion of Skelda. Why leave an RVS vote in place when there is actual content, about which you are expressing an opinion, to base votes on?
In post 81, projectmatt wrote: In post 69, Garmr wrote:
@Project Matt I'm going to call you out through and ask why did you Vote Mozamis with out listing any reasons. I would actually like to hear some insight on how the game is going.
I'm not one that finds it necessary to supply large amounts of content at the beginning of the game as most of it is guesswork. This is why my first few posts have just been observations. I'll provide actual analysis soon since we're moving out of that stage.
Specifically, I very much disliked his attack on PeaceBringer and his attacks looked not like excited town but opportunistic scum.
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There is absolutely no way that a lynch is going through or a claim is being made yet.
Matt, if nobody supplies content at the beginning of the game, then where does the content come from?
I'm actually not seeing the mozamis suspicion. I see a failed joke and some vote hopping, but I really don't think that's a reliable tell this close to the beginning of the game, where we're just starting to see things coming out.
Can we drop the meta-that-may-not-be-discussed? Meta generally sucks, flirting with the edge of discussing ongoing games also sucks, doing so in an attempt to avoid saying anything for real keeps games from going anywhere.
You and I clearly have very different points of view.
1)
The issue is not so much that the vote was "serious" but because it was described as being such with the reason for which it was placed being: "you formed the first bandwagon". That's like me saying my first RVS vote was serious.
2)
Yes I am going to FoS him and I am going to keep FoS'ing him. Just in case my interpretation of the term is different it means I'm going to be keeping an eye on him, his votes and people who vote for him as well continuously to see if patterns change. Why are you implying that FoS'ing someone who you think is null (yet is displaying anti-town behaviour) is bad? I am really going to lol if you start telling me that anti-town = scum.
3a)
I would love to debate the first line of that paragraph even though I agree it is somewhat open to interpretation but in peacebringer's case I firmly believe it is not because a number of people have said this is how he normally plays which, while it is anti-town, it definitely does not equate to being scummy especially if he has played like this as town and as scum.
3b)
Sorry I am not and refuse to be captain obvious, does it mean I am scum for noting yet refusing to shout out what 3 people before me did?
3c)
I'm pretty sure I explicitly said that those were my plans FOR NOW and that if peace's playstyle changes to becoming more analytical I will change my stance but because I'm too lazy/busy I'm not going to bother to verify that claim. On the off chance that I didn't explicitly say that, I am saying it now.
4)
I am concerned because I feel it is an unjustified suspicion. And once again, points of view issue: you see meltdown, I see attempt at thorough defense against flawed suspicions bordering on clear misrepresentation. Pressure has nothing to do with it it's the wrongful attack that's the problem and I don't see why you're implying that only people under pressure should bother defending themselves.
Moz got to a very low L number (did he actually reach L-1?) but he didn't even blink. I feel like it deserves your comment.
And finally what your last paragraph directed towards me is saying is that right now I am, according to you, the scummiest player here because I have chosen to defend myself. Could just be a point of view thing again though cos funnily enough moz is still the scummiest person to me here because he refused to defend himself at all and/or provided terrible defenses.
Also I feel it's scummy that he's the
second
(lol @ townwagon) person to spend a whole post just calling me town but not saying why especise more especially after how much I have and continue to focus on him.
Gotta admit I haven't had much time to look at the recent exchanges I've only just skimmed through them and this has been a busy weekend for me so I'll analyse them Tuesday/Wednesday when I have more time.
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