Mini 1504 - Antihero Mafia REBOOT [GAME OVER]

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/confirm

-Zd.

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AA and Mollie references the heads of the flying beauties hydra. Also from the beauties part, the answer is presumably yes.

A point of information, there are 4 hydrae in this game, and it is probably a good idea to check out their members to understand references like above.

VOTE: Majiffy for having an avatar that objects to Martian Law.

As an aside, both members of this hydra are going camping tomorrow so we may not be able to contribute much this weekend. Sorry, this is exactly the reason we wanted to Hydra.


-Jingle

Actually, 5 hydra.

Lying Cat is scum.

Vote: Lying Cat

Hell, I wouldn't mind if we quick-lynched them.

-Zd.

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I mean the padding in that post is obv. scum garbage.

-Zd.

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I don't trust people who post a lot in the early game, and AP along with this also has some vague discontinuity in his posting that's kind of raising some faint alarm bells.

Not the biggest fan of Splintered Shadow, either, for the latter reason.

-- Quil

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I do support Lying Cat votes though. That first post of Day 1 comes off trying-to-be-helpful, not waffly, AP.

-- Quil

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I mean the padding in that post is obv. scum garbage.

-Zd.

Its not just scum that waffles, Zd.

I didn't accuse him of waffling, so why you are trying to debate scum-tells at this point is beyond me. Why you would defend someone this early is too.

Buckwild, what are you doing?

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UNVOTE: Lying Cat

LC's recent posts have satisfied me and I'm more unsure of their alignment now than sure it's scum.

My own suspicions fall on Paschendale and SS for inconsistencies surrounding their LC votes. I'll outline them late when I'm not phoneposting.

My gut also dislikes MafiaSSK'S vote and unvote of LC and I'm facing a gut/head conflict over AngryPidgeon.

Zdenek should be along soon with a post.

– Quil

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We'll right now I'm sitting on my couch. Yourself?

Well, I meant mafia-wise.

There's nothing there to criticize but an RVS vote. But the time for that is passing. Let's see something serious, LC. Same to Splintered Shadow.

No. It's the style of the post, not the vote itself.

Buckwild can die anytime for what I think is faking a newb-tell.

Zd/Quil, you guys still think Cat is scummy?

Well, it seems like he's trying.

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-Zd.

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My own suspicions fall on Paschendale and SS for inconsistencies surrounding their LC votes. I'll outline them late when I'm not phoneposting.

Alright.

The inconsistencies lie with Splintered Shadow saying

I like how Lying Cat disappeared after pressure was applied. Can we get some more votes on them?

when Lying Cat said in their first post

As an aside, both members of this hydra are going camping tomorrow so we may not be able to contribute much this weekend.

which indicates a lack of thoughtfulness / reading comprehension and to me reads scummy especially considering Splintered Shadow's post

I mean the padding in that post is obv. scum garbage.

-Zd.

Agreed.

VOTE: Lying Cat

implies he had read Lying Cat's first post and therefore knew about why Lying Cat would be absent.

Also, MafiaSSK implicates himself of the same thing here

^ That feels so forced. Have you checked out their metas?

I like how Lying Cat disappeared after pressure was applied. Can we get some more votes on them?

I'm down for putting pressure on Lying Cat.

Vote Lying Cat

as does Paschendale here

I am [down for putting pressure on Lying Cat] too.

VOTE: Lying Cat

which is particularly notable since his last post was this

I don't know about votes for Lying Cat yet. There's nothing there to criticize but an RVS vote. But the time for that is passing. Let's see something serious, LC.

and Lying Cat had not posted in the meantime.

Essentially, all three players have implicated themselves of not reading at least some of what Lying Cat had posted when they voted Lying Cat or being sloppy and not checking the allegation that Lying Cat had 'disappeared' when they voted Lying Cat.

Both Zdenek and I are in agreement that MafiaSSK's explicit vote for pressure is useless, as are his posts generally.

I certainly think MafiaSSK is the best place for a vote at the moment. Paschendale and Splintered Shadow do not escape scot-free, but Zdenek and I certainly think they're not as good votes as MafiaSSK.

VOTE: MafiaSSK

-- Quilford

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Also, MafiaSSK is flying massively under the radar. You should ISO him and see his posts for yourself. Moreover he hasn't posted in over two days.

@Mod: can you please prod MafiaSSK?

-- Quilford

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Buckwild

are you talking about 1392?

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Oh, I see. Your just talking about the number of games that he's been in.

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Buck still looks like the best choice. There's just no attempt at hunting there. SS's 196 sums it up pretty well.

No one seems to be doing anything controversial. This is especially baffling from people like Majiffy or Varsoon, who are usually a lot more outrageous. There's this very strong sense of caution in this game, and every action looks tentative and measured.

What do you think of AP's comment about pride?

It's the one thing that's holding me off Buckwild at the moment. I don't actually think that pride is a town-tell like he does, but the comment reads like a reflection of a genuine emotion to me. It's why I was interested in flying beauties' comment about him saying the same thing in a past game - my initial feeling was that buckwild wouldn't be able to fake that as scum, and an example showing that he could would have made that comment null.

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AP, they are all me.

I might be able to answer your question about SSK over SS. It might be because Quil and I agree about that. I'm not sold on SS yet.

-Zd.

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Eesh a lot of posts over night.

FnL: Splintered explicitly called Cat scummy for disappearing after going under pressure. The other 2 (SSK/Pasch) just voted him for pressure but said nothing about why or why not he is scummy when they did. I don't see how you are making the leap to say that they ALSO read Cat's post but think his lurking is scummy?

Also, MafiaSSK implicates himself of the same thing here

SSK and Pasch just said they want pressure on him. Splintered was the only one to call them out on ducking the thread after getting pressured.

Why SSK over Splintered? (Pasch is definitely contributing the most, sure).

It comes down to: why would you put pressure on someone who had explicitly stated why they would be absent? Doesn't make sense. It's much more likely they just hadn't read Lying Cat's posts and therefore didn't know about Lying Cat's absence. (Also MafiaSSK actually quoted SS's original post.)

MafiaSSK was actually a sack of useless and for the most part only responded to other people instead of doing anything active at all. He didn't make any effort to scumhunt. Then he quietly replaced out and it remains to be seen whether his successor will actually do anything either.

-- Quil

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@FnL in 264: Yeah, I changed my mind. I do that sometimes. I was okay with votes for LC in 82... but not yet. I wanted to see some more content from LC. Then, at the end of that day, there was still no content and I was unwilling to wait.

The reason there was still no content was because both members of the hydra were V/LA. You would have known that had you read LC's posts.

-- Quil

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You're both being immensely irritating.

I see the merits of votes on JKLM and MafiaSSK/Belisarius and Buckwild and AP and frankly I'm not sure what to do at this point in time. We could do much worse than any of them for a lynch today.

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-- Quil

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I still have to look into splintered. I've been lazy on that front.

I think JKLM's gambit is garbage. Considering his join date I'm inclined to think that it's coming from town, since I don't think that he'd risk blowing a scum game with that play.

I thought that Grim still appeared townish, but I really dislike their "maybe Darthe is up to something" comment.

Beli talk to me about contractions. Have you caught scum with that before? It seems to me like a bizarre thing to comment on.

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-Zd.

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I'm with Splintered on AP = scum.

You liked the case?

A word search for

all contractions?

I think not.

Myself or anyone who hasn't played with AP before running meta on him conventionally would also be unscientific due to the bias inflicted by having his contraction avoidance this game highlighted.

Only someone who has played with AP before while

not

specifically looking for contraction avoidance can provide an unbiased answer, and I won't act on any other kind.

This really doesn't seem like a scum post.

I agree that JKLM's faux self sacrifice is crap. Emotional appeals are not compelling and his attempts at pushing his reads just look like whining.

Crap or scummy?

I would like to form a town bloc with you 2, are you guys open to it?

which would entail what. I'm not sure that I want to lynch the same people that you do. Perhaps Varsoon, but I need to think about it.

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Unvote

-Zd.

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i really have to sort through people, but I don't think it will happen tonight.

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VOTE: unvote flying beauties post made my beer taste bad. Also, vote.

What didn't you like about it?

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Yeah I'm kinda feeling that re: JKLM, but there's no way pasch is as dumb as he's acting. I'll get back to you on that one.

What's your experience with Paschendale been like?

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No one seems to be doing anything controversial. This is especially baffling from people like Majiffy or Varsoon, who are usually a lot more outrageous. There's this very strong sense of caution in this game, and every action looks tentative and measured.

How come you didn't draw any conclusions from this?

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which would entail what. I'm not sure that I want to lynch the same people that you do. Perhaps Varsoon, but I need to think about it.

I find it weird that in our experience with each other you are acting like you have no idea what I am talking about.

If you expect me to surrender my vote to you, that's not going to happen.

I'm town reading you. I think Quil is too. I'm happy to cooperate.

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Just checking in to say that I currently want to vote Paschendale.
I haven't heard from Quilford, so I'm not going to vote until then.
I also want to hear from Especially the Lies.

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@Mod: votecount, please.

My problem at the moment is that I don't have any strong reads one way or the other. I suspect this is a function of lots of unhelpful banter amongst players, very little consensus generally, and a Day which feels like it's been dragging on too long. As it is, though, my reads fall on a continuum from most to least scummy, and there is not much distance between different players.

Varsoon, Belisarius, and AP (in no particular order) are up there at 'most scummy', but I really don't mind who dies today, so long as it isn't us. A flip will be fantastic.

-- Quil

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Varsoon is town. His push on The Grim Reaper slot screams it. Scum has no interest in pushing a slot that nobody was pushing before. Scum has no interest in pushing a slot that's proven to be hyperactive. Pushing active players like us is setting yourself up for a whirlpool of wall-wars and the like, the exact thing I think scum would want to avoid.

Wrong.

Scum have a lot of interest in pushing a slot that won't go anywhere but wall-wars because it makes them look like they're doing something, it makes them engage a lot more actively, it provides the opportunity to fake some emotional reactions for easy town cred, and it makes mistaken people like you make mistaken statements like the above. Never scumhunt by trying to guess what scum are and aren't willing to do. Rather, scumhunt by looking at what players have done.

Moreover his push on you was based on a weak one line of reasoning which presumed Lying Cat also being scum. Then, when nobody was convinced, he posted 'I'm also all for a Grim lynch, but no one's supporting that.' and switched votes.

-- Quil

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I agree JKLM's posts recently have sounded fake. I'm willing to vote him. I'll see what Zdenek thinks.

-- Quil

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/willing to hammer

-- Quil