Mini 1484 - Pick Your Partners (Game Over)

[T S O]

the mistake we made was WW hunting. Lynch scumreads.

[Pjovek]

I'm surprised gnr was actually town lol

I focused on subtly distancing from the other ww slot, turns out that was a poor decision due to the lylo rules.
oh well, could have played better myself.
ggs

[Voidedmafia]

Tochica, in such a hard choice situation, why didn't you simply NK?

That was actually something I thought of right after IG locked the thread, and I wish I had thought of it before.

the mistake we made was WW hunting. Lynch scumreads.

No, WW hunting was the right call. Bartlet self-lynching screwed us over, even if he was right about the HC/Nat bussing in the end.

[T S O]

yeah ikr Pjovek

I was starting to see Voided could be Town by the end but Tochica not being Mafia was the conclusion I missed.

[T S O]

ebwop: yeah Voided, we should have told the WW that, as it was actually the logical play for both WW and Town.

[Mrbartlet]

Lol saying my self vote screwed us. If I hadn't Haschel would have hammered me knowing he was dead the next day anyway. You screwed yourselves. Tochica why you not kill Natirasha. Honestly that game when I joined the scum had made it so obvious who they were

[Does Bo Know]

Good job Nati, thought you'd end up winning it once Haschel was found out.

Yeah, so lesson learned: in JR or a game similar, Mafia hunting is just as important as Wolf hunting. And Mafia NK's are just as important as Town NK's to the Wolf. That's why it's so even: you have to judge whichever kills and lynches help you out in the long run.

Ultimately hate Bartlet for self-hammer. No one cares if Haschel would've hammered. Staying alive longer means town gets to talk more, and you prohibited that from happening. That's never a good scenario.

[T S O]

Much as he patronized me, I don't really think it made a difference. I was hell-bent on lynching his slot and scumHasch would have hammered.

[Mrbartlet]

Also tochica why no change if kill. Reading your QT makes it obvious you thought Titus was town.

[Mrbartlet]

Sorry for calling you an idiot TSO I was hoping my blaze of glory entrance etc would convince you on the slot. I was wrong. You were too bent on that slot and nothing could change that.

[Does Bo Know]

Much as he patronized me, I don't really think it made a difference. I was hell-bent on lynching his slot and scumHasch would have hammered.

In this game, probably not. But if Town-Bartlet goes around self-hammering because "he thinks he's doomed" or something, he won't be a liked player around here.

[T S O]

Sorry for calling you an idiot TSO I was hoping my blaze of glory entrance etc would convince you on the slot. I was wrong. You were too bent on that slot and nothing could change that.

No problem, I don't take it personally.

Apart from Saki. Saki sucks.

[T S O]

"Oh, I just saw you updated the rules in thread, I won't change my kill if Titus is town and mafia wins so be it. I am sorry if you have been waiting on me the change the kill."

Tochica, you went from a chance to win to no chance to win...

[Tochica]

GG guys I enjoyed it, it was my first game as scum really, well second but I had to replace very early the first one.

I really thought it was Titus and Voided mafia until the day MrB was lynched. It was him that triggered me that Nati might be mafia, I totally thought he was town. I also generally didn't think DrDo would be so pointing to his parter wonder if it was with wifom purpose.

I really didn't think I was surviving 2 town vs me scenario simply because GNR didn't look like wolf at all so I went for 1:1:1. I only saw today I would lose that way, as I had only checked the thread before the clarification. At this point I ofc suspected Nati was idd the mafia but tbh I couldn't be bothered to go for another day, knowing I would probably lose, I know lame but I just won't have time for this the incoming weeks. I realise this may have disappointed some and I apologise if so.

I will read the mafia and dead topics now.

[Haschel Cedricson]

I laughed so hard when MrBartlett nailed the remaining Mafiateam right away only to have nobody believe him.

Props to Nat; he did a great job despite being saddled with a partner who everybody was convinced was scum. He made the decision to distance early and often, and it paid off in the end.

Thanks for modding, IceGuy. This is the second one of your games I've played in, and you never disappoint as a mod.

[Voidedmafia]

Mafia NK's are just as important as Town NK's to the Wolf

But Mafia couldn't kill?

bartlet: Whether or not HC was going to hammer you, that was not the optimal move, nor will it be.

[Tochica]

I thought MrB and TSO were both stubborn as hell

[Titus]

the mistake we made was WW hunting. Lynch scumreads.

This is pretty much it. I don't know how I could have begged harder for an HC lynch rather than Bartlet.

[Tochica]

Oh how did the list thingy work PJ and I had each other 2nd? That's my list:

nickthename wrote:Varsoon
Pjovek
Titus
T S O
Haschel Cedricson
TheGarantula
DrDolittle
Egg
Guy_Named_Riggs
Mutleyddmc
Natirasha
Does Bo Know

[Does Bo Know]

Mafia NK's are just as important as Town NK's to the Wolf

But Mafia couldn't kill?

bartlet: Whether or not HC was going to hammer you, that was not the optimal move, nor will it be.

Killing Mafia is just as important as killing Town, from a wolf's perspective.

[T S O]

Mine was randomised.

I'd actually love to play another game of this with the same players

[Tochica]

I know yours was random I was just wondering how the pairing worked.

[Does Bo Know]

Ice Guy tried to explain it in a QT, either the regular dead one or the spoiler dead QT. (I peek at spoilers, sue me.)

I already forgot most of it, but I haven't visited how the pairing worked since August so I'm okay with that.

[Tochica]

Oh, I didn't realise there was a regular one, I was wondering why it's you only in the dead qt Anyway, I am starting to spam now, that's how one can say I am town I guess, I spam. Seriously though I killed you because I realised Pj's right and I won't have to post so much if you died, this and I thought you were mafia.

[Natirasha]

Yes!

This game was difficult for me. I decided to join it because it's such an opposite game than I usually do--I mostly stay in super-mechanically-complex games, and this was a simple game. Coming in, also, I was having massive worries about my daygame and I hoped that I could work on it.

Anyways, I do think this game's setup is imbalanced against the mafia--an early wipe of the werewolves means that the game is practically unwinnable, because 2 living masons means LyLo is actually impossible. This means that, while the werewolves only have one job(survive), the mafia have to both scumhunt werewolves while keeping them alive to kill masons. It's okay, though, and the 1-1-1 endgame does actually balance somewhat.

This game ended up being fun--although I hated having to bus my partners from day two, it sort of worked out. By Bartlet's entrance, I was positive the wolf was between {Voided, Tochika}, but I actually couldn't let Bartlet live, so i was going to hope for some good nightkills and force a kingmaker situation(hoping Titus/TSO made it to the final day because I knew that they would both give me the win if it came down to it).

This was a very fun game, guys! Thank you, IceGuy for modding it and thanks to everyone else for being a very pleasant userbase--there was no real rage or distasteful moments.