Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Mafia - Game Over

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #1400 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:55 am

In post 1398, Sakura Hana wrote:Oh hey Sven is suddenly agreeing with me. (I think?)

This posts irks me, but yes, I agree.

I am a no one in this game, me agreeing or not should mean nothing.

waynegg · Post Post #1401 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:57 am

You're really bad at this Sak. Reading that is...

This from the same post you're misrepping...

Regardless of his alignment pie will yield the most info for town, and that's really what D1 is about. Information.

And this, the predicate of the sentence you still haven't read...

...eliminating the obv scum choice for NK forces their hand to have to choose thereby giving more chance for POE.

waynegg · Post Post #1402 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:57 am

In post 1398, Sakura Hana wrote:Oh hey Sven is suddenly agreeing with me. (I think?)

It's called buddying...

Majiffy · Post Post #1403 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:59 am

In post 1386, Svenskt Stål wrote:You do realize that what you are saying is that we should do the "OBV" NKs, so scum cant. Thereby forcing them to make stuff we can get clues from?...Thats how I read it.

Wrong. Obvious nightkills remove any possibility for meaningful analysis, as "any scum" would make the "obvious" kill.

In post 1390, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1388, Svenskt Stål wrote:But its not a scumslip, its either intentional from scum, or retard town.
I disagree, why would he call someone an "obv scum kill" if he thought said person was scum.

It's called a hypothetical.

waynegg · Post Post #1404 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:02 am

Hi Ed

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #1405 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:03 am

In post 1402, waynegg wrote:
In post 1398, Sakura Hana wrote:Oh hey Sven is suddenly agreeing with me. (I think?)
It's called buddying...

How am I buddying with sakura, I called him scummy, then his post irked me. The post you qouted thou is a good example of buddying.

In post 1403, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1386, Svenskt Stål wrote:You do realize that what you are saying is that we should do the "OBV" NKs, so scum cant. Thereby forcing them to make stuff we can get clues from?...Thats how I read it.
Wrong. Obvious nightkills remove any possibility for meaningful analysis, as "any scum" would make the "obvious" kill.

Uhhm, I think I need a defenition on "obvious nightkills" here, to me it means strong players, clear players, power roles.

Are you saying that you trick scum by lynching those?

waynegg · Post Post #1406 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:07 am

IF he's truly town, he's who scum have to kill because they can't have town killing day and night. That's why he's the obvious choice for NK if town. I thought you'd played this game before Sven...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1407 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:08 am

So let's say we have an innocent child, would you lynch the innocent child since scum obviously wants to kill him and you would get no info from the NK?

P-Edit: SO LET SCUM KILL HIM INSTEAD OF KILLING HIM YOURSELF HERE JEESH.

Natirasha · Post Post #1408 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:10 am

In post 1406, waynegg wrote:IF he's truly town, he's who scum have to kill because they can't have town killing day and night. That's why he's the obvious choice for NK if town. I thought you'd played this game before Sven...

Obviously this logic is flawed with four other claimed power roles, but yeah, what Sakura said.

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #1409 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:12 am

In post 1406, waynegg wrote:IF he's truly town, he's who scum have to kill because they can't have town killing day and night. That's why he's the obvious choice for NK if town. I thought you'd played this game before Sven...

Pie is either scum or town

Town PIE is a vig and will be NK.

Your conclusion is that the best play is to lynch pie.

I say that it is a fucking retarded conclusion. I dont want to expand on this, USE BRAIN, LITTLE EFFORT NEEDED

Majiffy · Post Post #1410 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:13 am

In post 1405, Svenskt Stål wrote:Uhhm, I think I need a defenition on "obvious nightkills" here, to me it means strong players, clear players, power roles.

Are you saying that you trick scum by lynching those?

In Hypothetical A, Player X is a town Vig. Town Vigs are dangerous to Scum Team 1. Scum Team 1 killing Player X is therefore an "obvious nightkill".

Therefore despite the fact that we feel Player X is scum, even if Player X is town, Hypothetical A argues that pro-town benefit can be had from lynching Player X.

In post 1407, Sakura Hana wrote:P-Edit: SO LET SCUM KILL HIM INSTEAD OF KILLING HIM YOURSELF HERE JEESH.

Because we think he's scum, you derp.

waynegg · Post Post #1411 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:15 am

Site meta dictates a day vig is town. It also dictates that town don't get two extra kills by way of vig (even if in Multiball), ergo Pie is most likely lying scum. Sure, Mhork could have gone off the ranch with his setup, but I'm not getting into setup spec. That house is stacked and a sure fire way to lose.

Town pie being NK'd gives town no info to lead into D2. None.

And in other news, Nat is scum.

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #1412 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:16 am

In post 1410, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1405, Svenskt Stål wrote:Uhhm, I think I need a defenition on "obvious nightkills" here, to me it means strong players, clear players, power roles.

Are you saying that you trick scum by lynching those?
In Hypothetical A, Player X is a town Vig. Town Vigs are dangerous to Scum Team 1. Scum Team 1 killing Player X is therefore an "obvious nightkill".

Therefore despite the fact that we feel Player X is scum, even if Player X is town, Hypothetical A argues that pro-town benefit can be had from lynching Player X.

In post 1407, Sakura Hana wrote:P-Edit: SO LET SCUM KILL HIM INSTEAD OF KILLING HIM YOURSELF HERE JEESH.
Because we think he's scum, you derp.

No, just fucking no.

Majiffy jesus fucking christ.

We dont need to guess you fucking derp.

Natirasha · Post Post #1413 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:17 am

In post 1411, waynegg wrote:Site meta dictates a day vig is town. It also dictates that town don't get two extra kills by way of vig (even if in Multiball), ergo Pie is most likely lying scum. Sure, Mhork could have gone off the ranch with his setup, but I'm not getting into setup spec. That house is stacked and a sure fire way to lose.

Town pie being NK'd gives town no info to lead into D2. None.

And in other news, Nat is scum.

Wayne, I'm going to say this the nicest way possible.

Leave the setup spec to the experts.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1414 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:17 am

Ok then let's play waynegg's game, I think Majiffy is scum and im going to want him lynched today to take away the obv NK on a watcher since we gain no info from it.

From waynegg's logic, this is the correct way of playing. In fact, Majiffy can use his PR to confirm that pieguy indeed killed who we wanted him to kill. So can talah. But NO he rather NOT use his PR to confirm his suspicions about pieguy and instead he rather lynch him.

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #1415 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:18 am

In post 1411, waynegg wrote:Site meta dictates a day vig is town. It also dictates that town don't get two extra kills by way of vig (even if in Multiball), ergo Pie is most likely lying scum. Sure, Mhork could have gone off the ranch with his setup, but I'm not getting into setup spec. That house is stacked and a sure fire way to lose.

Town pie being NK'd gives town no info to lead into D2. None.

And in other news, Nat is scum.

Right so we have two claimed town vigs?

Scum kills town vig?

WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?

WE LYNCH OUTSIDE CLAIMS

Majiffy · Post Post #1416 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:18 am

In post 1412, Svenskt Stål wrote:No, just fucking no.

Majiffy jesus fucking christ.

We dont need to guess you fucking derp.

You're right, we could just lynch him.

waynegg · Post Post #1417 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:19 am

I've seen him use this exact same logic as town. Nat may have presented it a little differently, but it was still the same logic and he was right. And he was town. Now he calls that same logic I picked up from him flawed. That's why.

pedit I explicitly DIDN'T setup spec. I reoffend site meta. Bad misrep and just more reason you're scum.

Majiffy · Post Post #1418 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:19 am

In post 1415, Svenskt Stål wrote:WE LYNCH OUTSIDE CLAIMS

That just creates more claims.

We found scum. We lynch scum. Easy as that.

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #1419 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:19 am

What has talah and jiffy claimed?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1420 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:20 am

talah = 1 shot tracker
majiffy = watcher (forgot if 1 shot or not)

Majiffy · Post Post #1421 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:20 am

In post 1414, Sakura Hana wrote:Majiffy can use his PR to confirm that pieguy indeed killed who we wanted him to kill. So can talah.

No. No we can't.

Majiffy · Post Post #1422 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:20 am

Yes, 1-shot.

Svenskt Stål · Post Post #1423 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:22 am

In post 1420, Sakura Hana wrote:talah = 1 shot tracker
majiffy = watcher (forgot if 1 shot or not)

A tracker would see who his/hers target visist?

A Watcher sees who visits his/hers target?

waynegg · Post Post #1424 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:22 am

In post 1414, Sakura Hana wrote:Ok then let's play waynegg's game, I think Majiffy is scum and im going to want him lynched today to take away the obv NK on a watcher since we gain no info from it.

From waynegg's logic, this is the correct way of playing. In fact, Majiffy can use his PR to confirm that pieguy indeed killed who we wanted him to kill. So can talah. But NO he rather NOT use his PR to confirm his suspicions about pieguy and instead he rather lynch him.

Seems like I've read that somewhere before... Where was that?... Oh yeah...

In post 1376, waynegg wrote:Derp town needs to stop Derping and lynch pie, or even Jiffy.

In that post you still haven't effing read...