Open 529 -- Picking Simplicity -- Game Over

[don_johnson]

*the

[Maenara]

So Lora is town and cop and an idiot.

Excellent.

And Wake is still Wake, thus meriting a policy lynch, but we've already pulped that particular horse, so not even gonna go there (except I just did).

UNVOTE: Wake

And Evil is still not cleared.

Since when was Evil cleared? I'm not following.

Point being that I'd said Evil needed pressure 'cause she'd promised reads and reading and whatnot late in D1 after a metric ton of lurking, and her few meagre posts D2 hadn't been enough to clear her of that. Also, so not buying the Doctor thing that RBD said; it anything, she was softclaiming cop with the "I have my reasons for Wake being town but totes won't be revealing them" crap (how would the doc even know that?), and seeing as we now

know

who the cop is, that makes it pretty clear that she's been scumming it up.

Oh, and she claims in her 23rd post - out of 1369 posts in the game - that she's not a lurker. Let's see, 1369 divided by 20, times I'm-studying-maths, divided by are-you-bloody-kidding, plus this-is-grade-school-level-come-on gives us an average posting rate of about fifty posts more than her. Now, granted, nobody should

be

at the level that Wake and Stål are, 'cause they've been threadcrapping and quadruple-posting, and 210 posts is just dumb, but I know for one that I've been less active than I really oughta, and I still have double her posts prior to posting this. So c'mon, don't claim you're not a lurker. Make excuses, sure, they might even be true, but don't flat-out lie, it doesn't suit

anyone

.

I want some analysis, or at the very least some thorough reads, from Evil. Right now. No more of this faking-it-'till-you-make-it bull. Lurkers are bad enough. Don't say you'll read up, then keep on lurking, then claim you're not lurking. That's just sad.

And we're back to
VOTE: Evil Regals

[Maenara]

Oh, and

TOWN
Don
Anti
JMO
Stål
Rach
Aptil
Jacob
Albert
SCUM

leaving out the obvious. And Wake.

[Albert B. Rampage]

YEAH SCIENCE!

[RachMarie]

Seriously because I have a pet beef with fake claiming.

Even though Loran did come clean I was willing to lynch Wake based on the fact that I thought we had a cop guilty. (which contradicts the statement oh well we know the scum knew) hmmm I really DID think Loran had a cop guilty and then he came clean, and I felt he had betrayed the trust of the town. So the case on me makes no sense. If I really was scum I would have been trying to push a lynch on Loran and say he was lying about being the cop to get him lynched or try to out the doc. So yeah anyways


I think very likely that Jacob could be scum. Something about him is not right and this is not his usual play that I have seen in other games. Still not totally convinced that ABR is town, and I could see a case for SK... It often takes me longer to sort out peeps who have been around a long time than the newbies.


But for now let us focus on Mafia...

VOTE: JacobSavage

[Titus]

This out the doc theory has been out for awhile. Why the hell would a doctor out in a questionable cop scenario?

I don't like the lurker lynch trains. There's plenty of scummy players who have actually been posting.

Manera's list worries me. I don't think she's scum but that list is pretty much the active posters are town and the lurkers are scum.

[jmo16mla]

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE 24 POSTS IN A 64 PAGE GAME?

[Rainbowdash]

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE 24 POSTS IN A 64 PAGE GAME?

content and posts don't always correlate, take Wake having about 4x the posts of the players who have produced more content than he has.

Also RM lurks as scum. Reliably. Couple that with her treatment of BP, she is a good bet.

Also bad access until Monday. I should be around but no promises until then.

Also I would be willing to lynch ABR for replacing an exceedingly scummy slot and then be willingly useless.

[Brian Skies]

Is there a reason why you never respond to me, RBP?

[Rainbowdash]

Is there a reason why you never respond to me, RBP?

Missed some of the posts and not having a whole lot of time right now

Anyways

Yes Manera is still on a short list for me but I like the reaction to the fake result
No I don't buy meta unless its on a player I know fairly well. Reading a game and experiencing a game are two very different things. RM is one of those I will use meta on because of the large amount of contact I have had with her over the years, I actually would not at all be shocked to see her in a top three most played with list. aptil and BP both completely ignore eachother though (aptil to BP entirely, BP to aptil with some passive defense early and then a "better them than me" vote). It could be a both scum situation and that would be nice to know, im not voting aptil today though.

As far as im concerned it one of RM, ABR, Sven today. Very much prefer one of the first two.

[Skullduggery]

@Skull - I am still trying to forget that game, there is one game in over five years that was moderated more poorly. Its just the perfect example of "what not to do" over so many mod things, literally I have slowly been working on a "common mod error" type article for a long time and that game works as an example for nearly every single "never do this" thing.

Sorry if I brought up any unpleasant memories, but I felt I had to point it out. Your insistence that the Cop should step forward in this game looks alarmingly similar to your insistence that a massclaim was a good idea in Adventure Time Mafia. It puts me on edge and makes me think that you and Loran could be Scum buddies who devised the theory that I highlighted at the bottom of 1512.

Lorenth, you SHOULD NOT say who you targeted. The doctor will protect you and you'll live another day. Plus, it just tells scum who is innocent and that innocent person will be killed. We will keep this up for a day or so then reval everyone. Unless of course we get a guilty. But my plan is to follow the cop. As long as we keep our doc from claiming, we are all right.

You're overlooking something important: What if the Doc is just as suspicious of Loran as I am and ends up protecting someone else? If Loran really is the Cop, he

lied about his results.

He has given us no reason to trust him. But if he says that another player is innocent, maybe the Doc will be more inclined to protect that person instead. Or maybe Scum will kill that person instead of our "Cop" Loran.

If Loran claims who he investigated, that will leave not one, but two potential kills for Scum -- either of which could be blocked by the Doc. I don't know about you, but I approve of any course of action that keeps Scum guessing and improves their chances of being cock-blocked by the Doc. (Doc-blocked, you could say.)

I'm having trouble seeing scum trying to force a counter-wagon onto their partner. Maybe they are both scum and they decided they'd rather have BP, I don't know. But Aptil doesn't make sense as scum to me right now.

Eh, maybe it's more plausible than you think. If you were Scum and you had to choose between BoroPhil and Aptil, which one would you rather keep and which one would you rather throw under the bus? A team is only as strong as its weakest member.

The pony is right. The information regarding the identity of the target of my check will be made available on a need-to-know basis. If said person is in danger of being lynched I will intervene.

See my response to jmo above.

Wake might still be scum. He didn't provide any real material on Day1, I recall him asking for people to convince him more than actually giving reads + all the bullshit. I realize that Wake wasn't a very good target for my gambit, I initially wanted to direct it at ABR. Oh well.

I still think we should lynch either Brian, Sven or ABR.. unless people actually want to lynch Wake, which I'd be down for. I'm just dying to know his alignment after all this bullcrapa which I take full responsibility for.

I'm still having a lot of trouble understanding exactly what the heck you were hoping to accomplish here, so please take me through your thought process. I don't believe you when you say that you only did it to get reactions. Wake was very close to being lynched. What if I had just hammered him instead of announcing my intention to do so? What if he had flipped Town? How would you have explained yourself tomorrow? Why would you -- our alleged Cop -- deliberately lie about an investigation and put yourself in such a dangerous situation? For "reactions"?

What were you

really

trying to do?

About the Evil Regals supposed breadcrumbs, a doc doesn't need breadcrumbs so that post looks really weird.

A fair point. How do you interpret Evil Regals' 1180 then?

Also Loran, you should investigate me tonight if I survive lynch, no downside, either you catch scum on me or you can stop a likely day 3 misslynch. That has to be a good play.

Stop asking the Cop to investigate you. The Cop's main goal is to find Scum, not clear Town. If you're Town, you don't want the Cop to investigate you because finding Scum is much more important that confirming your innocence.

Skull is hard to pin. It feels like mostly question posting and no direction. My guess on SK, since people are doing it. Just a hunch, not someone i want to lynch.

Uh-huh. How is this any different from how I normally play?

Yes, I had a strong feeling that Wake was town.

Who said that Wake was Town? Loran just said that he didn't investigate Wake. We still don't know Wake's alignment.

God, you are

so

Scum.

Point being that I'd said Evil needed pressure 'cause she'd promised reads and reading and whatnot late in D1 after a metric ton of lurking, and her few meagre posts D2 hadn't been enough to clear her of that. Also, so not buying the Doctor thing that RBD said; it anything, she was softclaiming cop with the "I have my reasons for Wake being town but totes won't be revealing them" crap (how would the doc even know that?), and seeing as we now know who the cop is, that makes it pretty clear that she's been scumming it up.

Where did she say that?

If Evil Regals is Scum pretending to be the Cop, what would she have to gain from employing such a strategy?

[Maenara]

Didn't sleep this night either. Schedule is starting to become interesting. Contemplating buying & reading GURPS Zombies for maximum effect.

Lor is cop; if not, cop should counterclaim. If they do so, lynch Lor, but honestly, at this point, everyone's had their chance, so unlikely to happen. Assuming nobody counterclaims, doc protects Lor, no matter how inane the play, because Lor is confirmed cop, and not protecting that would be dumb as hell.

Nobody should beg to be investigated; we have an inv-immune SK, so a non-guilty just means "not faction-scum". Bragging about being investigated is dumb unless you want us to lynch you for being the SK.

Evil did this here scummy bull:

Also wake is town for reasons being withheld at the moment

which really makes no sense as anything but groupscum fakesoftclaiming cop.

YesPlease to the whole lynching Rach/Albert/Jacob deal (any given order) but we need Evil's whatever cleared up pronto.

[Svenskt Stål]

Evil, rach and aptil all need to get motivated by means of pliers and torch.

Titus, open invitation to start a dialogue that might sort out your view on me, or atleast some of it. So if you see some chance of me being town then I want to talk.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 2.07

JacobSavage - 3 - jmo16mla, Albert B. Rampage, RachMarie
RachMarie - 3 - don_johnson, Rainbowdash, Svenskt Stål
Albert B. Rampage - 2 - Skullduggery, aptil
Svenskt Stål - 2 - Brian Skies, Titus
Wake88 - 2 - Antihero, Evil Regals
Evil Regals - 1 - Maenara


Not Voting: JacobSavage, Wake88, Loranthaceae, uctriton00

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2013-11-03 15:55:36)

[Nobody Special]

Antihero has been prodded.

[Albert B. Rampage]

JacobSavage is a decent bandwagon IMO.

[aptil]

I just pulled up ABR's iso , he just looks so scummy . Get him today people .

[Loranthaceae]

Unvote

and will mull over a bit

Because heck it'd be hilarious if Wake and Loran were both scum and they came up with this gambit to both "town themselves up" in a way

That would be rather obvious if someone else claimed cop now wouldn't it?

If someone "claimed cop" or would actually be cop?

VOTE: jmo

You are scum testing the waters for fakeclaiming and I don't like it.

[Loranthaceae]

@Skull What if the person I checked is the doc? I don't see any advantages to that.

I thought I could use Wake's ego to my advantage and get him to claim scum.

Regarding people not trusting me, I sacrificed trust to try to get town another scum following my "unsuccessful" check by a) reaction testing my target and b) drawing a fake claim that I was confident in being able to combat credibility-wise.

[Antihero]

I thought I wouldn't actually have to to any work today... UNVOTE:

still have to read because my motivation has been dead recently. unless i see something drastic, the likelihood of me voting anyone besides jmo at the end of it is pretty close to zero, though.

[Maenara]

Dude, did you read anything other than the last two posts?

@Lora: as confCop, thoughts on Evil please.

[Antihero]

Dude, did you read anything other than the last two posts?

totally, bro

because it's not like i was calling jmo scum Day 1 or anything...

[Wake1]

I'm still unsure about Loranthaceae.

About 40%, considering no counterclaim.

[Titus]

Stal, it is better for you to demonstrate town behavior and scumhunt. That will convince me. Questions might damn well result in tunnelling. Can you provide a scum game where you got lynched and a town game where you were mislynched?

Eww that post by Antihero gives me the creeps. If you haven't read, how can you be so sure on your vote?

[Skullduggery]

Evil did this here scummy bull:

Also wake is town for reasons being withheld at the moment

which really makes no sense as anything but groupscum fakesoftclaiming cop.

Oh, I must have missed that. Hmmm.

Okay, Evil Regals, forget what I said earlier about not saying a goddamn thing. Start talking, sister. Do you intend to counter-claim Loran? If not, why did you leave Cop crumbs?

@Skull What if the person I checked is the doc? I don't see any advantages to that.

I thought I could use Wake's ego to my advantage and get him to claim scum.

Regarding people not trusting me, I sacrificed trust to try to get town another scum following my "unsuccessful" check by a) reaction testing my target and b) drawing a fake claim that I was confident in being able to combat credibility-wise.

Sigh. I still think that this is a really reckless risk for a Cop to take. I'm not totally convinced that you're legit, but I'll roll with it for now.

If the Doc dies, will that be your cue to tell us your investigation results?