Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Mafia - Game Over

[Majiffy]

If he's aligned with a scum faction, then we have an

entire faction

making suboptimal kills (like AA9 over pretty much anyone else) when this is a 21 player game with a strong chance of multiball. If he's an SK, then he probably won't go "fuck you" and shoot someone randomly because this is a 21 player game and he's fucked if he goes off the path town tells him to go down.

I am quickly losing my townread on you.

[NachoKoopa]

Refute the logic, Majiffy.

[NachoKoopa]

You've been right once this game but I have a feeling I've been right quite a few times in my mafia career!

[Titus]

Dr. Doolittle, nice how you treat the bandwagon vote as an attempt to claim you FoSed me first. Don't pee on the group and tell us it is raining.

Majiffy, I agree with you on lynching Pie but if Pie lives I'd rather kill Stal/AA9 with the shot. DV seems town to me. You're going to have to convince me otherwise. You are also starting from a bad position given the fact you implied my efforts would be wasted.

[Sakura Hana]

How many shots do I think you have? why do I care how many shots you have? you could've 1 and be WIFOMing so scum NKs you instead of a PR, or you could have more and WIFOMing so scum doesn't NK you. I don't care how many shots you have and if you have more then we can direct your shots tomorrow and the days to come anyway.

[pieguyn]

give me a backup for WIFOM sake pls

I don't want to be completely vulnerable to a bus driver or some shit ;w;

[NachoKoopa]

I also seem to remember a bet from back in the day which had you wearing that I <3 Nacho avatar for a while. I'm pretty fucking sure pieguy is an SK and I do not mind leashing those kills at all.

[Majiffy]

Refute the logic, Majiffy.

To a scum faction, any town is an optimal kill. Any kill that isn't their faction is optimal. Because it brings them closer to parity.
If we direct the kill onto a factional scum, and SK claim IS factional scum, SK claim will claim roleblocked or any other number of reasons why the kill didn't go through.
If we direct the kill onto a factional scum, and the SK claim is SK, either the factional group will defend via roleblock or any other number of ways kills can be stopped, or kill the SK.

So basically the best possible net result we can get is a dead SK and every other option helps scum more than it helps town.

[pieguyn]

To a scum faction, any town is an optimal kill

are you fucking serious

[Natirasha]

give me a backup for WIFOM sake pls

I don't want to be completely vulnerable to a bus driver or some shit ;w;

Majiffy so he shuts up.

Or for a real answer, Empking/DrD/DV

[Majiffy]

You are also starting from a bad position given the fact you implied my efforts would be wasted.

Tell me, out of 80 pages, how much did you actually learn? 80 pages worth? No? Mmkay then.

We have more pressing issues. Like a claimed scum not being quicklynched like claimed scum should be. You can read during the fucking nightphase.

I also seem to remember a bet from back in the day which had you wearing that I <3 Nacho avatar for a while. I'm pretty fucking sure pieguy is an SK and I do not mind leashing those kills at all.

I do. This isn't going to help town whatsoever.

[Majiffy]

To a scum faction, any town is an optimal kill

are you fucking serious

I am fucking serious.

[pieguyn]

I'd be fine with the first one

but srsly those 3 choices sound good

I am fucking serious.

"any town" isn't an optimal kill. an optimal kill is either a PR or a really obvtown player

[Sakura Hana]

or a really obvtown player

Which takes us back to Titus... but still we can also leash her from D2 onwards if she has left-over shots.

[Titus]

That's the answer I was looking for, Sakuna. Sorry I came across some things that made me question my townread on your slot, so I wanted you to answer the question.

Use Stal as the backup Pie, unless by some fluke both you and DrD live. Majiffy's a pain and unsorted but we gain more by letting him live ATM.

I can read during the day. I can speed read for now, and get detailed notes at night. Out of 80 pages, I've learned that Majiffy is a Dick. DrD hasn't presented real scumhunting questions, only barefaced conclusions and misreps so he's probably scum. Stal is likely scum. Sakuna's running her own little mystery game and attempting to be a town leader but failing to elucidate why. PereV appears to be playing his town game. I have a slight town lean on Empking.

Oh and pie needs to be lynched with fire.

[Majiffy]

"any town" isn't an optimal kill. an optimal kill is either a PR or a really obvtown player

And what if one of those kills ends up being a PR? Mmkay then.

There aren't a whole lot of "obvtown" players floating around. The ones that should be (like yours truly) are still getting shit on despite being the only ones making any goddamned sense.

[NachoKoopa]

To a scum faction, any town is an optimal kill. Any kill that isn't their faction is optimal. Because it brings them closer to parity.

Threats differ based on roles and players. For example, any scumfaction is much happier to kill Nacho the Global Cop than they are TiP the Vanilla townie. If we can force a scumteam to keep threats alive in favor of lesser threats, then that's a pretty awesome bonus for us.

If we direct the kill onto a factional scum, and SK claim IS factional scum, SK claim will claim roleblocked or any other number of reasons why the kill didn't go through.

And meanwhile, the scum is forced to no kill instead of shooting one of those threats.

If we direct the kill onto a factional scum, and the SK claim is SK, either the factional group will defend via roleblock or any other number of ways kills can be stopped, or kill the SK.

This doesn't seem that horrible.

[pieguyn]

Oh and pie needs to be lynched with fire.

wow did I really catch 3 scum on d1

And what if one of those kills ends up being a PR? Mmkay then.

that's not "any town"

[Titus]

Explain how the scum would be forced to no kill Nacho.

[kanyeknowsbest]

this argument is really fucking dumb.

[Majiffy]

To a scum faction, any town is an optimal kill. Any kill that isn't their faction is optimal. Because it brings them closer to parity.

Threats differ based on roles and players. For example, any scumfaction is much happier to kill Nacho the Global Cop than they are TiP the Vanilla townie. If we can force a scumteam to keep threats alive in favor of lesser threats, then that's a pretty awesome bonus for us.

Not if Nacho the Global Cop is leading lynches on townies and TiP the Vanilla Townie is calling out the whole scum team.

If we direct the kill onto a factional scum, and SK claim IS factional scum, SK claim will claim roleblocked or any other number of reasons why the kill didn't go through.

And meanwhile, the scum is forced to no kill instead of shooting one of those threats.

So? You're letting scum sit around instead of getting rid of them.

Oh wait, yeah, he could also kill someone else and claim redirected. Which, oh wait, I think

I'VE FUCKING SAID THIS ALREADY WHEN HE CLAIMED VIG.

If we direct the kill onto a factional scum, and the SK claim is SK, either the factional group will defend via roleblock or any other number of ways kills can be stopped, or kill the SK.

This doesn't seem that horrible.

It doesn't

help

us.

[kanyeknowsbest]

i honestly thought u were a better player than this majiffy.

[pieguyn]

It doesn't help us.

you're right in that it doesn't help you

because you're scum

[Titus]

Kanye, when you aren't lynching claimed scum, I'm not sure why you're thinking Majiffy is sucking. Yeah DrD is probscum but let's get the confscum first.

[Sakura Hana]

but let's get the confTP first.

FTFY and i still disagree, having a leashed SK is like having a Vig.