In post 77, Gale wrote:Oh, so RVS is a misnomer then? Because I assumed that since it was Random Voting we weren't really supposed to have reasons yet. To be honest I sheeped on whoever had the most so we could move on to the next stage of the game. I retracted all votes because I thought it was a dangerous position to put someone who could very well be town. I realized you all were actually looking for some sort of evidence of something and it wasn't actually random. I thought my sheeping wouldn't help anything.
--Not exactly a misnomer as there's a point at some stage into Day 1 where enough discussion and enough of the right kind of interactions have been had that true scumhunting based on players' motivations begins. I've seen RVS effectively end by the end of page one before, no problem. People have different personalities so the way they will try to push a game out of RVS differs.
In newbie games players can be out of sync as to whether RVS is still happening or not too :)
In post 75, Antagon wrote:Huh. I would think that votes solely for pressuring purposes shouldn't be announced as such. People usually try to explain their actions when there is an actual chance that someone is trying to lynch them. Just my opinion, though.
I think scum can sometimes freak out when they see it coming and you blatantly announce the vote is for pressure.
But why would you think my vote is "solely for pressuring purposes" when I provided Sakura with a paragraph of questions before saying it was
also
for pressure?
In post 68, Sakura Hana wrote: In post 66, talah wrote:I quite like Daughter's Post 51 for a natural response to the situation, too.
I disagree, it looked pretty fake to me
In post 66, talah wrote:If you were sheeping Thor for legit reasons and now have a scumread on burns, why are you still voting Daughter
My scumread on Daughter is higher.
In post 66, talah wrote:what do you think about Blonde and Antagon's votes on burns
They are good votes, tho they'd be better if they were on daughter.
In post 66, talah wrote:Do you think Thor's arguments for burns-scum were remarkably convincing? And if so which parts do you agree with, or not completely align with?
Yes, the discrepancies within the way Burns's words arent matching his actions.
Why thank you
It feels awkward that Gale retired the vote right after noticing it was an L-1 vote.
I don't think I've seen you wall before ;D
1) What makes you feel Post 51 is fake? To me the post has an accusatory tone to it, and is challenging Thor of all people which would probably be a bad move if he's town and Daughter's scum. There's a fairly natural flow to the posting too - so from a tenuous standpoint of early judgements I'd say that either Daughter and Thor are both scum, or Daughter's town.
2) I don't know what your scumread on Daughter is about (nor really your scumread on burn) but she doesn't seem at all pressured by your vote if that's what you're getting at.
3) Okay I guess I can accept that. I thought it was a bit weird that Antagon assumes Thor has done the legwork for him. Blonde's looks pretty good.
4) I think the argument is his words aren't matching his thought processes, not sure if that's what you meant.
5) You're most welcome. Shall I spruik some more pressure <3 my early scumreads are traditionally pretty good...
6) Yeah it did feel awkward and I'm not sure if it's the awkward of newbie town or newbie scum or slightly less than newbie scum trying to look like newbie town. Tending newbie town at this point, I think.
In post 67, Thor665 wrote:Oh, snap, sarcasm! This will be the start of a beautiful friendship...or I will out sarcasm you and there will be an eternal divide. 50/50 it seems.
Interesting, I didn't know that particular word was a Smurfable offense.
I can lay some clangers down at times, but that particular assessment was plump with sincerity. I'm more acerbic than sarcastic.
In post 67, Thor665 wrote:Okay, but...I'm actually confused as to your inability to see where I was getting at considering you think his 'brain to paper' reaction is all swell (and, indeed, that's the crux of his defense) Allow me to spell it out even more slowly.
We-ell.. it's the crux of his towniness as I see it, and if he happens to be scum yeah it could be a tactic. However I'm thinking he believes what he's saying and am quite delighted in the meantime that you're scumhunting on him, and that he's become a focus for discussion for others. Everyone has an opinion on burns, as the old saying goes.
In post 67, Thor665 wrote:1. He understands that reads can change and are not set in stone.
2. He understands that pressure reads exist.
3. He understands that pressuring people is a pro-town thing.
4. He used an answer that you liked that can be summed up as "because it's what I thought, so I shared it with people!"
5. He had no issue with my pressure on Daughter
and...
He thought it was sloppy and bad of me to announce that I'd be willing to lynch him.
If not the subtlety, I got the gist the first time around. I just disagree at this point and can think of at least a couple of logical reasons and many variants as to why this mightn't be all that relevant to his alignment (none of which I will bother to supply). I don't have a problem with the assessment that a contradiction exists in principle, but the way the conversation came about makes me think it's not a scumtell for burn.
There are a couple of other considerations in my mind - he's posting fairly prolifically and seems to be addressing your points but not kow-towing. Happy with my read as it stands.
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Daughter
- why are you still sitting on an RVS vote?
Gale
- how do you feel about voting Sakura, for the time being, rather than voting noone?
burn
- same to you; your vote is not being used and Sakura has thanked me for pressure, therefore theoretically more pressure would result in further accolades.
Putin
- Hi!
*goes to look up who Majiffy is and comes back* If she's talking about the thing in his signature, I think that's a pretty bad reason for sheeping in the first place and thus makes her suspicious, though I do believe why she kept the vote after DoL acted so shady.