Mini 1504 - Antihero Mafia REBOOT [GAME OVER]

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy - That's what I'm asking you to do, actually. What part of my stance do you need to have expanded so that you may grok it?

I'd like you to explain why you think AP isn't a higher priority to me than Thor665. Please expand upon your answer with evidence from my ISO.

thor I don't know what to make of you being so worried that no1 is engaging you. I am torn between treating you like a fragile flower or mercilessly making fun of you.

Go with the latter.

Why are we stalling?

IDK, are you voting AP?

[The Grim Reaper]

Hey so I'm posting intent to hammer Pasch.
Claim please, you have 3 hours to do so before I drop the hammer.

[The Grim Reaper]

That was Guyett

[Majiffy]

Hey so I'm posting intent to hammer Pasch.
Claim please, you have 3 hours to do so before I drop the hammer.

I don't think Pasch is at L-1.

Also, why not AP?

[The Grim Reaper]

Pasch is L-1.
There are 5 votes on him and its 6 to lynch.

AP can go tomorrow... we are pretty confident pasch will flip scum

[Majiffy]

asdfgh

[Thor665]

I understood perfectly what you meant Thor. I understood that you called "AP a weak scumread at best", thereby implying you don't actually scumread him at all.

This is going against what you said earlier.

You implied it though as if a scummy read is of universal strength. They are not.

Yes, I find him scummy, but no, preferring a lynch IS a good reason to push for it. Youa re the one saying how equal they are while being unwilling to lynch either/or but instead having a focused goal because a lynch will happen "anyway" and someone is "dangerous" and "hard to lynch" Gosh, look how hard it is for me to lynch Pasch today, if we don't lynch him now we never will because people don't want to lynch him. AP will GUARANTEE be lynched later, so we need to lynch Pasch today!

@Grim - I think your confusion is thinking 'best' is an adverb for for 'scum' when, it is actually modifying 'weak'.

As in, you think I said - AP is weak scum at best, and strong scum at worst.
When I actually said - AP is weak scum at best, and even weaker scum/town at worst.

Does that clarify it for you?


@Majiffy - Bullsmurf.

I would like you to explain the step backwards you have taken when using the phrase "at best".

GG

I'm leaving these both up as part of a giant wall just so you can see what I'm responding to.
I *don't* see a change of opinion there.
I see a continuation of the same opinion.
What am I missing?

I'd like you to explain why you think AP isn't a higher priority to me than Thor665. Please expand upon your answer with evidence from my ISO.

My point is, *I* am literally the only stumbling block in getting AP lynched.
So, if you want AP lynched, as you claim, I am amazed that you aren't bringing an axe out and chopping the block out of the way.

asdfgh

So you're saying you don't think Pasch is scum?

[The Grim Reaper]

I'm leaving these both up as part of a giant wall just so you can see what I'm responding to.
I *don't* see a change of opinion there.
I see a continuation of the same opinion.
What am I missing?

Please. In the first quote you state you find Angry Pidgeon scummy. No contingencies. Then you even proceed to call him a guaranteed lynch for the next day. I realize this was in part to add some rethoric weight to your argument, but your current stance does show the argument has been dishonest in its core: you realize very well the difference between the PAschendale-lynch and the Angry Pidgeon-lynch, and thus there is no way you didn't get my (our) point that the Angry Pidgeon lynch is more difficult to achieve, making him more dangerous.

Because what is your current stance now? A

weak

scumread

at best

. That doesn't sound like a scumread to me. It mentions a scumread but that mentioning is surrounded by the underscored additives that make it irrelevant. That doesn't sound like a continuation of the same opinion.

[The Grim Reaper]

But like Guyett said, we're hammering today. We've had enough of Day 2. Angry Pidgeon's magic disappearance trick makes the wait even more aggravating.

GG

[Thor665]

It's a sitewide disappearance, so don't add that to your case unless you'd like to look terrible.

[The Grim Reaper]

I said it made the wait more aggravating.
Read what I write.
Without AP kindly delivering more reasons for town to consider him scummy, there is no more additional content to fry him with nor to convince you with.
I didn't say it made Angry Pidgeon more scum. Not only because of the weakness of the argmuent, but also because Angry Pidgeon has very little room to look even more scummy than he already does.

GG

[Thor665]

Please. In the first quote you state you find Angry Pidgeon scummy. No contingencies.

Yes.

Then you even proceed to call him a guaranteed lynch for the next day. I realize this was in part to add some rethoric weight to your argument, but your current stance does show the argument has been dishonest in its core: you realize very well the difference between the PAschendale-lynch and the Angry Pidgeon-lynch, and thus there is no way you didn't get my (our) point that the Angry Pidgeon lynch is more difficult to achieve, making him more dangerous.

Even if this is true, it is meaningless to what you are trying to prove.
Also, it is not true.

Because what is your current stance now? A

weak

scumread

at best

. That doesn't sound like a scumread to me. It mentions a scumread but that mentioning is surrounded by the underscored additives that make it irrelevant. That doesn't sound like a continuation of the same opinion.

Ah, so when I clarify the strength of the scumread (which, incidentally, in the first post I clarified that though I scumread both it wasn't to the same strength) suddenly my story is changing?

No.

I can have two apples, say they are both red albeit different shades, and then later clarify that one is a deep red and the other is mottled a lighter red with some touches of green and I am not invalidating my previous statement.

[Thor665]

I said it made the wait more aggravating.
Read what I write.
Without AP kindly delivering more reasons for town to consider him scummy, there is no more additional content to fry him with nor to convince you with.
I didn't say it made Angry Pidgeon more scum. Not only because of the weakness of the argmuent, but also because Angry Pidgeon has very little room to look even more scummy than he already does.

GG

You refering to it as "magic" suggested you considered it a trick.
I am glad you clarified that it had nothing to do with any level of scumminess from the slot.

[The Grim Reaper]

Me referring to it as "magic" was an expression of me already considering him scum. I don't want to sound too understanding by calling it a "perfectly understandable disappearance that doesn't bother me at all", because it bothers me greatly.

And as I fell asleep during this frankly boring discussion, so did the hammer.

VOTE: Paschendale

Referring to my arguments as simply untrue and meaningless is not conducive to conversation. Work on that.

GG

[Majiffy]

My point is, *I* am literally the only stumbling block in getting AP lynched.
So, if you want AP lynched, as you claim, I am amazed that you aren't bringing an axe out and chopping the block out of the way.

One scum at a time. But thanks for announcing what is already readily apparent to the rest of us.

So you're saying you don't think Pasch is scum?

It's looking less and less likely. I want my dead bird.

[Thor665]

Referring to my arguments as simply untrue and meaningless is not conducive to conversation. Work on that.

Referring to mine as contradictory and then refusing to defend your position when I challenge it, however, is super beneficial to conversation.
...oh...wait...

[Thor665]

My point is, *I* am literally the only stumbling block in getting AP lynched.
So, if you want AP lynched, as you claim, I am amazed that you aren't bringing an axe out and chopping the block out of the way.

One scum at a time. But thanks for announcing what is already readily apparent to the rest of us.

So you're saying you don't think Pasch is scum?

It's looking less and less likely. I want my dead bird.

Too late for you now.
You missed your five day window to explain why to me.

[Antihero]

No one knows what it's like
To feel these feelings
Like I do
And I blame you.

-The Who

Final Vote Count of Day 2

AngryPidgeon - 3 (mastin2, flying beauties, Majiffy)
mastin2 - 1 (AngryPidgeon)

Paschendale - 6 (Darthe, Lying Cat, Thor665, Belisarius, EspeciallyTheLies, The Grim Reaper)

Thor665 - 1 (Paschendale)

Not Voting: No one

[Antihero]

Paschendale - Victor Frankenstein, Vanilla Townie - has been lynched!

It is now Night 2. Actions are due in (expired on 2013-10-31 11:19:45).

[Antihero]

mastin2 - Tony Stark, Mason - has been killed!

It is now Day 3. With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-14 11:08:04).

[Darthe]

He was obv town so that makes sense.

AP

I'm of the impression that AP would make that kill and anticipate that he could wiggle out of it with a little "scum trap" misdirection.

[Thor665]

Vote: AP

[flying beauties]

lookit dat bussin

here let me help you:

VOTE: ap

[AngryPidgeon]

Welp Im the Tenth Doctor, town 2-shot Gunsmith.

I investigated EtL on night 1 because the splintered slot's push on me felt off in hindsight as I was rereading things.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5410581

Thor, whoever, definitely has a gun. Lynch him first and you will see that I am being truthful.

I kinda lurked through the last part of the day yesterday because it was most of my effort to not just claim outright when trying to defend myself from mastin.

VOTE: Thor

[AngryPidgeon]

Antihero refused to clarify what would generate a positive for my role, but did offhandedly refer to the wiki page for it. So unless Thor is a cop (no vig in the game it would seem) then he has to be mafia.

And given the mason flip and my already having a 2 hot investigative, I strongly doubt Thor is that so - vote away, hes scum.